Sort-of memes that are cracking you up at the moment

You're a bit dim. The edit didn't defend people it added a qualifier of people to the question of drawing the line. Where and by whom.

Hi Dov, I'll try to point out some of the differences that appear to me between the gammon daily mail reader and the trans kid. Also some other points of interest that occur to me:

Reading the mail is a choice that the reader actively makes. Being trans is accepted as a birth attribute, like eye colour.

The mocked traits and activities of the Mail and the gammonesque reader of it, are ones that subjugate and demean broad swathes of people. They bring misery and pain with them. Being trans, not so much.

There is a duty of care and sympathy in the relationship between a parent and child that is larger, more subtle, and carries a greater weight of responsibility than that between the Mail and it's readership. It is the failure of this parental relationship that was the subject of the jibe.

I am not sure but I think you were wondering about the very word "gammon" and if it is comparable to racial, homophobic, gender, ablist slurs. I think this is, to some extent, valid but there is a subtle difference between two. The birth attribute slurs are warranted only by an accident of birth. No conscious choice made by the female, trans, gay, disabled, black etc person. To be gammon is to have arrived at a world view that makes you red faced with anger at a liberal position. The gammonfication of one's visage is an expression of a political view, not a birth trait.

I expect there are more points to be made, but I have finished shitting and need to wipe my arse. No bidet here, sadly. I could go a rimming.

This is why I love this forum. Especially the last bit. #spiritoftheforum

It should be OK to joke about anything but obviously this isn't always the case. I'm glad that lots of people will engage here without just shouting in to the void.

Reading the mail is a choice that the reader actively makes. Being trans is a birth attribute,

Really obvious. People who make these kinds of comparisons know this and are just being provocative.

All good points.

I'm clearly aware of the stark difference between someone born one gender and feeling another and that of a person choosing to read the DM. I thought I was obvious in my coding of those two subjects for their recency. Maybe I should have tried harder.

I'm still interested in the point though, what is and isn't offensive and who is deciding? Generally, and ere on lufguss?

In between posts I changed a shitty nappy. Happy to help Matt if he needs it.

Haha! If we get @mashton in adult nappies he'll never write long thought out posts whilst on the shitter though and that would be our loss.

It would make the Spotted thread fun for a while though.

I'm being provocative but how's it any different to calling someone a bender?

One's defined in law as a hate crime.

Sheesh, what are you, some kind of Brexiter?

All good points.

I'm clearly aware of the stark difference between someone born one gender and feeling another and that of a person choosing to read the DM

Just FYI, you being clearly aware of these differences is not as clear from your posts as you may hope.

ha!

I'm still interested in the point though, what is and isn't offensive and who is deciding? Generally, and ere on lufguss?

The groups normative values as they exist at that time.

Generally, no one on here would blink at a post that was be deeply and unnecessarily offensive to a religious person of any denomination, unless the group deemed it to include a racial element.

It just depends what a group thinks is, or isn't, important.

whatevs.

cats!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgwYRCCdJlk

Being trans is accepted as a birth attribute, like eye colour.

Is this true? Is there definitive literature on this?

And we were doing so well... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦

One's defined in law as a hate crime.

The trouble with name-calling being made a crime is that it won't be long before calling somebody a gammon is included in the list of proscribed terms. It easily meets the ridiculous identity-politics test used to synthesise these non-criminal crimes, since it codes for both race and gender (the thought police seem comfortable with the cognitive dissonance of simultaneously believing that both of those things are social constructs which should be consigned to the dust bin of history)

I'm seldom sufficiently stirred to need to consider insulting anybody, but occasionally being called a 4-eyed poof is a price I'm willing to pay to keep the option open.

If anyone has hasn't seen sausage party - don't.

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Is there definitive literature on this?

Yes, there are twin studies demonstrating a significant genetic component to gender dysphoria. Of course, nothing is ever that simple, so epigenetic, environmental and cultural effects will affect the level of expression.

In that one has to be a white person of a certain age in order to be able to go a ruddy colour when spotting a woman with a job?

Let's discus the flagrant and perfectly acceptable use of the word gammon to describe right wing working class voters? A pretty lazy trope.

let put this to rest;

"The term refers to someone excitedly and wildly expressing a point with minimal detail, much bluster while exposing their ignorance on the subject under discussion; in particular, the colour of such a person's flushed face is compared to the type of pork of the same name."

Basically described you nicely.

Okay I get why you dislike the Gammon trope.

Nobody is born a gammon and I believe you can actually pray it away.

Oh Ed.

I've now seen the error of my ways. Thank you for your kind and noble steerage.

That’s a travel class, you may be thinking of “direction”.