EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

If he was to stay there forever that would be AOK with me!

Geoffrey Cox has a great voice, makes me think of Carson in Downton.

That's a problem for every political party though.

And since parliament is not bound by the previous parliament (unless it is the Brexit referendum cos then all the rules are suddenly irrelevant...) normally, that is something I think should be resolved.

Maybe there is some way to pass legislation that the parliament after should on Brexit negotiations implement what was agreed or put unfinished parts of the negotiation back to a public vote?

If not...then what does anybody actually have in their hands unless they come up with something that can pass parliament and can be dealt with quickly in further negotations? Aside from full SM/CU membership I can't think of anything.

Shame he's a knob. He told MPs this morning that there may come a time for "parliamentary scrutiny of judicial appointments". A petrifying prospect: just imagine if Bojo had got to pick those 11 judges.

At the same time though he's saying he respects the conclusion of the Supreme Court (and therefore the independence of judges). Cakeism at its finest.

Maybe there is some way to pass legislation that the parliament after should on Brexit negotiations implement what was agreed or put unfinished parts of the negotiation back to a public vote?

This would = parliament binding future parliaments.

Any negotiations will take forever and probably come at political cost to any party that makes deals because the complexity and the easy, wilful misrepresentation - this is such a contentious subject now. The libertarian right probably stand to lose least in this regard for obvious reasons. They’d do relatively few standard agreements, much less taxation and regulation.

’finish’

Not really a thing. Once we’re out future governments can attempt to renegotiate all sorts at any point. Promises along those lines are going to be the new normal.

Labour have abandoned ‘No Freedom of Movement’ (officially?). EFTA and EEA (access to the single market) is possible.

Not that surprising given the TUC's view on immigrants and FOM.

Exactly. A big deal, but somehow not when it is a badly ran referendum. The UK governing system doesn't seem to be setup for this sort of scenario.

So how is anybody supposed to trust any promises of any party now? They have to get real about the costs/benefits and the time of any options, if their option A won't pass in parliament, then option B with cost xyz has to be tried.

Geoffrey Cox is my new favourite boorish and overblown Tory arse. And it's a fucking strong field...

altho I think he'd of said "strong fucking field".

Labour have abandoned ‘No Freedom of Movement’ (officially?).

Not that I've seen, do you have a link?

composite passed at conference basically unopposed - doesn't mean it will definitely be in the next manifesto but should be. party has whacked it out the park w/policy announcements this conference - will still be some muck in the next manifesto (trident, cops etc) but there we go

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49827795

Conference has passed a motion saying they'll support FoM for the WA and Brexit Deal.

It does not bind Corbyn's hands and I cannot see him going for it.

the last manifesto didn't really vow to end FOM did it? it was definitely mealymouthed on the topic though, presenting the legal fact that FOM will end when we leave the EU without any context or counter. regardless, it's pointless relitigating old battles and these are all bangers imo:

• Defend the right of EU migrants to live and work in the EU under free movement rules
  
• Give the vote to all migrants in the UK
  
• Reject any immigration system based on quotas, caps, targets or incomes
  
• Close all migrant detention centres
  
• Guarantee the unconditional right to family reunion visas for migrants from outside the EU
  
• End "no recourse to public funds" policies, which prevent some immigrants from claiming benefits
  
• Scrap so-called "hostile environment" polices, which restrict access to accommodation and the NHS
  

has boris dared show his face in the house yet ?

and: Give FOM to all UK emigrants that want to take their pension in sunny Spain/France, whose kids want to study abroad in the EU (many UK citizens study in The Netherlands as it is cheaper)

It works both ways, but somehow all the Brits emigrating are forgotten about. I hope Labour will point that out too, may win them some votes too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRc0by2vZ7k&feature=youtu.be

This had me crying with laughter.

“I’m told that the Labour leadership intends to adopt this essentially as written.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/09/labour-leaderships-preferred-brexit-model-eea-membership-why-not-say-so

bush is usually well sourced

Live subtitles really exceeding all possibilities.

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Yeah, fine, I know that. But what is the lizard planning to do about it?

It's the way that farage looks heroically into the camera when the guy tells him he used to believe in the European project that gets me.

Boris just strolled in, hopefully it gets going now

i spy boris

God this is awful....

Pretty boring today. I guess they didn't have enough time to prepare bills/SO24 things/etc. given the judgement only happened yesterday. Expect that tomorrow will be more important with the recess request and so on.

(I originally wrote "hopefully tomorrow will be more exciting", then I realised WTF am I saying)