EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Jesus fucking Christ, I see ‘five pillars’, my brain interprets as ‘another thousand years of Tory government’.

Why is it important to people that he commits (before we know what leaving would look like)?

Genuine question.

Because you're not allowed to consider the middle ground, with us or against us.

It's cake all the way again, that bothers me.

If he'd say "I don't think any brexit is better than what we have now (which is obvious by now!) but the unity of the UK is important to me, and I think remaining will cause further division which I deem worse than damage caused by any brexit" ok that's honest and clear.

"jobs first brexit" etc are found to be nonsense and still are nonsense. The fudging can only go on for so long.

I really want Labour to do well btw. But this just doesn't work for me. How can he not have an opinion himself after all that happened? Just doesn't add up.

Depends on what you mean by a jobs first Brexit really.

A Brexit where there will be more jobs?

or

A Brexit where the fewest possible number of jobs will be lost.

Depends on what you mean by a jobs first Brexit really.

I think, sadly, a "jobs first Brexit" means "a jobs first Brexit" in the same way that "Brexit means Brexit."

A meaningless statement said to appease all factions of the masses without actually tying yourself down to anything specific.

"A completely bungled Pyrrhic compromise" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Has this been resolved yet?

No.

Can we please just look up every twat who’s said that on this thread and ban them. Thanks.

That would be quite a few honourable memebers of this fine forum, including the boss himself.

Ps: lighten up sweetie

So what colour are the boathouse doors at Hertford?

On a similar theme, it occurs to me that the RdN principle of 'If there is doubt there is no doubt' would apply well to the whole Brexit project.

Here. Ford.

Ah yes. Not home counties. Close enough.

Almost saw a bit of raspberry jam there

Because fudge is death on the doorstep.

Are Corbyn and the Momentum lot just deep sleeper agents for the Conservative party? It seems that any time they seem poised to do something good, someone messes it up for some totally pointless reason.

They've not helped themselves and the wishy washy Brexit stance fudging/challenges at really awkward times, wow...good job.

But Labour gets judged very harshly while BoJo just kicked out 21 Conservatives but that's ok cos Brexit & haha he's so funny look at this hair, top lad.

I look at BoJo and his mates aghast but it'd be nice if the opposition could keep their shit together for just a little while

Totally.

But in some ways it feels Labour can't win. As somebody said on utube: Conservatives wash their dirty laundry in private, but the Left parties tend to wash it in public...

It has been ultra frustrating to watch for sure.

Why is it important to people that he commits (before we know what leaving would look like)?

I also don't see why it is such an issue that he stays neutral. In a lot of ways it makes sense.

The problem is the same as ever - his personality and delivery.

Someone like Blair or Cameron would have the ability to steadfastly hold the line of non-partisanship and both own it and sell it.

Sorry, but that's just some bollocks line that sounds good when you read it without giving it any critical thought.

How many Tory MPs have had the whip withdrawn? How many have gone on record as basically saying Jonson is dirtbag liar? How many have fucked of to the LibDems?

Maybe I wasn't clear?

The Tories have done all that you mention...yet they are still ahead in the polls.

What is happning in Labour is minor in comparison yet they get a lot of flak for it. That is what I was trying to say.