EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Well, I think:

1% "renters" (people that live off wealth): We want to do whatever we want (we want disaster capitalism, complete deregulation)
The very-left socialist: We want to do whatever we want (we want to leave capitalism, the EU is a form of capitalism)

Neither plan is possible within the EU.

Straws, clutched at.

Parliament being suspended tonight.
WTF @Bojo the clown
I hope this is the end of the Tories as we know it.

That’s quite different than asking them to reject the request.

Not sure that it is - writing a letter with "P.S. we're not going to do anything in the meantime lol" at the bottom seems explicitly designed to make them reject the request.

So a GE pitting "the people" (not the Remain people those are not people but EU robots disguised as people) VS "the elite" incoming then? Lovely.

Don't forget that also Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg are, somehow, not the elite.

or farage. who flies about on a private jet paid for by his rich mates.

And pays himself more than £20k per month.

Who also runs the Brexit party expenses through his personal accounts in order to avoid electoral comission scrutiny. Who also, allegedly (open secret), had his MEP salary paid to a tax haven.

The UK is very poorly set up for transparency in politics.

That just blows all the processing threads in my little mind.

But those people exist: There is one on on acquaintance's (I think it is like that or acquaintances mebe) Facebook page. Lives in Engerland (box one) Male (box two) White (box three) was being a dick when I asked "what about EU national rights for people that arrived before Brexit" (box four) and still thinks Farage is not an elite.

It's getting into David Icke/Flat Earth/Televangelist territory. Why can they just not say "well it is a protest vote and we don't like furrin's so that's why we don't vote Greens or Socialist".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49608822?fbclid=IwAR0KAmzuWF-zuwont_jmNNfltt-9QJSfhAr8Pqxg0-XvKnlWNSJAIo-ieMo

A no-deal Brexit would be a failure that both the British and Irish governments would be responsible for, Boris Johnson has said.

I give up.

Some weird quantum effect, similar to that which enables immigrants to simultaneously come over here and skive off benefits whilst also coming over here and STEELING ALL ARE JOBS!

In regards to the immigrants... so, I had a read on a local FB page.

There are some towns in NI with shit housing (clearly mostly not the fault of immigrants but shit housing that is rented out anyway cos you need any house and lack of enforcement powers and resources/lack of council housing which is the fault of the local government) and problems with people getting jobs are employers are flouting the laws (which is...oh) and they undercut immigrants.

Now it turns out one of these employers has been fined very often for breaking employment laws (they barely hire "locals" but prefer EU immigrants that work hard for minimum wage...) but the fines are so low, they just pay them.

Why won't those workers join a union? Well, because the people bringing them in are pretty much people smugglers. And because they change all the time it is like trying to dismantle a drug smuggling ring.

And what about road blocks? Well if you like your knees broken... did I mention they are criminals?

The person posted it acknowledged the exploitation as well, but people are so sick and tired they'll vote anything to send a signal.

There is no easy fix either, I think NI has the power to massively increase fines but it takes time to build housing.

Like Farage and the DUP are going to fix that, yeah, but just to add some nuance.

Ah yes, Schrödinger's immigrant.

Those positions aren't mutually exclusive. The (completely bollocks) implication is that there are so many immigrants that a load of them are taking "all of the jobs" and then more come with no jobs to go into and so they take benefits.

But what they miss there is that you can't get anything as a "I've just arrived here" immigrant, cos you cannot prove you have been resident for long enough [the habitually resident test] and you won't get anything anyway if you cannot prove you -could- get a job, and housing benefit is no longer given but OK...

...having said that a lot of people don't know what the rules are. Hasthtag not only Brexiters.

Ha, touché.

I still have some fear that Johnson/Cummings have something they will try and pull while parliament is prorogued.

Hopefully only each other's dicks....

And jobbing all our steel! Basterds.

Bercow standing down at the end of October. That feels like a blow.

I don't know how a new speaker is chosen - is it just the govt who chooses? It's presumably be a much more partisan choice this time if so.

All of parliament vote. So he's planned it while the current gov't is a minority.

Oh I see. In that case, I reverse my sentiment!

I still can't work out how the opposition to brexit are at the same time both the elite and also socialist marxists who want to take away everyone's money to give it to poor people and immigrants.

Interestingly these same themes/imagery run throughout Mein Kampf, so it's not a new idea. A bit like Schrodinger's jew.

Being speaker during hung parliament's and now a proper minority government has made his job very difficult. He's done it very well. I find the theatrics a bit much, but he's been consistent and fair. The ruling principle being that if there is a majority in the house for something, they should be able to express it.
Clearly, when one side has a majority this is easily done through the conventional routes, but when they don't, the conventional routes were always going to have to be altered.
I doubt his replacement will have a significantly easier task, but they will benefit from the practices he's put in place.

Bercow standing down at the end of October. That feels like a blow.

I think he has been a good speaker, impartial, made watching parliamentary debates interesting if not exciting at times. I would say he just about manages to jump before he was pushed. I believe he's pissed off quite a few people on the far-right end of the Conservatives who see him as working against the government's agenda and trying to prevent Brexit from happening. Obviously no-one in Parliament is biased. They're all angels. If he is to retire from politics I think I'll miss him.

Bercow for Caretaker PM!