Boris leadership 2019

I still don't think the Tories will risk a general election before they've implemented the Boundary Review and gerrymandered Labour out of the picture.

For all that the 2017 election was like reaching down the loo for May, she did buy the Tories two more years with it.

He's got no time I think, come Radnor he'll have a majority of what, 1-2?

What he has promised to deliver is only within the purview of a party with a big majority, he'll have to have a GE and it'll be this autumn.

I think he's confident that Corbyn has destroyed his own base with his Lexit position sufficiently that if Johnson out-Brexits the Brexit party he can see off the threat of the SNP/Lib-Dems, with the Labour vote collapsing in the background.

^^ & npf
an indication of the fate of the authors of less than fawning Editorials of the dePfeffel administration?

I think he's confident that Corbyn has destroyed his own base with his Lexit position sufficiently that if Johnson out-Brexits the Brexit party he can see off the threat of the SNP/Lib-Dems, with the Labour vote collapsing in the background.

He may well be right. I don't see how I can bring myself to vote labour right now. I am definitely not alone in that view, as evidenced by the EU elections.

if Johnson out-Brexits the Brexit party he can see off the threat of the SNP/Lib-Dems

The other advantage Johnson has, is that he is the sort of politician who can successfully maintain multiple opposing positions and get away with it.

All things to all men, and one thing to (disturbingly) many women.

Nothing to do with the man of course,

I'm not so sure of that. I think labour would do better carrying through their current policies and dropping Corbyn. Too much baggage now

and then the eye of fucking sauron turns its unblinking gaze on whoever steps into corbyn's shoes because it's not about corbyn, it's about the establishment not countenancing anyone trying to ride to power on a socialist democratic ticket.

There are two good things to be said about Boris:

1. Brexit - He is an habitual breaker of his own promises, so there must be a good chance he'll break his promise to the party members. When challenged he may well say: Oh well, I always knew it was impossible to leave on 31st October, I just promised that so as to get elected.

2. The Tory Party - He is the man best qualified to destroy the Tories for ever.

The EU elections, really, were a single-issue election (despite that, Labour still got a respectable number of votes considering they hadn't really taken a position.)

In a general election, there's too much at stake to not vote Labour in a seat where it matters.

How did Cillian Murphy get drawn into this?

Hammond is out

And which former cabinet member do we see on the table?

And Liddington and Stewart and Ruparel

When challenged he may well say: Oh well, I always knew it was impossible to leave on 31st October, I just promised that so as to get elected.

It is so insanely depressing that you can genuinely imagine that happening. And him getting away with it.

Leeds Conservative party chief quits, calls Boris unelectable, says it isn't the party he joined.

The best way to get away with it would be to have a general election and win - risky but likely.

Have an election quickly and claim that you wish to have 'a democratic mandate', while the real motivation would be to get it in before all those promises are obviously broken, and the opposition is disorganised. Corbyn won't be Labour leader for ever!

Whatever the outcome, he's now guaranteed the Prime Minister's (substantial) pension for life.

Jesus, Priti Patel for Home Secretary, scary, she’s about the most horrific hate filled Tory the world has ever seen, isn’t pro the death penalty.

In a general election, there's too much at stake to not vote Labour in a seat where it matters.

What if Brexit is seen as more important than who is in power for the next four years?

Once we're out of the EU then it's a right-wing dream for the next fifty years, they'll cope with being out of power for 3-4, most especially if that means that they can then nail the recession, outflow of companies etc as Labours fault.

Yes, Brexit has cut across the old party boundaries.

Although I've always been a Labour voter (including many years of party membership and a term as a local councillor) I certainly would not vote for a Labour candidate now unless he or she had impeccable Remain credentials.

so we should vote Boris at the next election and really show them a lesson? Ha ha, yeah!

Corbyn told remainers to vote any other party but Labour when he said that he'd only support a referendum on a Tory Brexit.

While I'm here:

Corbyn - as some wit has pointed out, in four years he's gone from Che Guevara to Ramsay MacDonald.

However, he could still perform a useful service to the Labour movement.

In general election campaigns the Tory media always attack the Labour leader, and it's obvious that they stockpile ammunition for this propaganda barrage.

So, would it not be a brilliant coup for Labour to change leaders in mid campaign, and so wrong foot the other side?

Jeremy should announce that he needs to spend more time with his marrows. They won't have the same amount of material to use against a new leader.

They won't have the same amount of material to use against a new leader.

oh they'll find something. or they'll just make shit up.

Yes, they'd find something, but they would be seriously wrong footed.

All this poor Corbyn bashing, there's a bunch of recent "news" articles saying his support has collapsed and 40% of labour members want him gone, but he won his leadership races with 60% of the vote, so has essentially stayed the same no?