Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

Not really true. The chassis on certain ages of cars do tend to rust if not treated and looked after on a regular basis but the body on frame construction means that the repairs are reasonably easy and the cost is low enough that it doesn't write off cars.

The powdercoat issue was only a real problem on cars built on the mid-latter part of the 90's.

Barry Hart of Hartech (main rebuilder of the M96/M97/MA1 engines for the water cooled 911's) was telling a group from 911UK that Hartech used to buy engines from breakers, and also had a lot of people bringing them engines from cars that they'd bought from breakers to fit to their cars. What made them remarkable? A very high number of the supposedly good condition engines from cars that had been written off due to a prang were in fact buggered.

The suggestion was that someone identifying a requirement for a £13,000 rebuild on a £14,000 car would deliberately crash the car to get £14,000 back instead of spending the £13,000 and ending up with a car that was still worth £14,000.

How much would it cost to remove the rusty frame from a Cerbera and replace it with a new one, and would you get that spend back when you sold the car?

Yes. TE the fucking the world.

Like that really old meme, Guile's theme goes with everything, TE37s go with everything.

I'm looking at the set on eBay, they're not exactly cheap though. Where could I check the price of a new set in the UK? I've had a Google and failed miserably to find somewhere that has them in an online shop format.

@dammit Not your standard TE 37's - RAYS VOLK RACING TE037 6061 19-INCH FORMULA SILVER

Might work?

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I think Work Meister S1 would look even better...

Three videos in, didn't know until now I wanted to refurbish vintage tools so much...

I can still remember the first time I saw a Cerbera - it was yellow, I was 17 (this was 1997) and I'd never seen or heard anything like it. It just blew me away. Dat ass :)

What TVR did with the AJP8 was amazing. For a company of that size to design and build their own engine - and one that had more in common with an F1 engine than a lot of consumer engines at the time - was an incredible achievement. Only weighs 121kg too...

Cerbera's are relative bargains these days, a third car with 33k for £18k anyone?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906199184820?sort=sponsored&postcode=e50nf&advertising-location=at_cars&make=TVR&radius=1501&model=CERBERA&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1

Even if I had £18k and a garage my fear of putting it in a hedge would preclude ownership, unfortunately.

Sad now because I just looked up W112 BHG (the only road going Speed 12 that exists after Peter Wheeler decided it was too much for the road) and it's sorned :/

Edit: It's in the Lakeland Motor Museum apparently. Doesn't get driven but it's the only car in the world with that engine which is irreplaceable...

Was pondering how nicely the 996 is ageing and thinking that ALLLL they had to do with the 996.2 was to shave off the bleeding headlights and make them round and they'd be twice as desirable, then I was examining a 997 and realised that that's pretty much what they did

Then you looked at the latest 911 and thought why the fuck have u put for shit LED's in there.

Then KIA copied it.

then I was examining a 997 and realised that that's pretty much what they did

That and made the interior more appear (today) to be more dated than that of the earlier car.

The 996 is interesting - its the only Porsche that actually evolved the 911 design language in a logical manner, and then retreated from that logical, linear design and fucked it up (996.2).

And then of course the 997 (which is a heavily facelifted 996) then screamed "bok bok bok BWAAAAAAAAAAARK" and ran back to the old, derivative, design with the round headlights.

I'm not as disparaging about the non-round headlights as some but round headlights is kinda the 911s thing

If it ain't broke...

I didn't think cars could be cunts but the new BMW X6 definitely is one

Look at the 964, how it deals with the indicators and the rest of the front end lights, then the 993, and then the 996.1- it’s a very logical, elegant progression. Which is then totally fucked by the 996.2, and goes back to a 930 pastiche with the 997.

It’s definitely got ‘presence’

Ugly as fuck rear end to it.

Holy smokes that's appalling. New car releases have gotten out of hand. Too many models/ variants. No emphasis placed on prettiness or elegance anymore. It's all just loud, brash, vulgar design aimed at Instabro's and egotistic middle managers who want to out-Msport their chums at the golf club.

So much this. I particularly hate how so many modern cars are so aggressive looking. It seems to reflect how they're driven (and I don't mean speed necessarily but aggression which is a different thing) but it's a bit chicken or egg...

I wonder about changing to the C63, but it gained a lot more visual aggression over the C55- and I prefer the more subdued looks.

E63 is the answer. The C63 is a bit boy racer...

I'm not sure on the current cost of a Cerbera chassis but the chassis for a Griffith/Chimera is around £3,500+vat and an outrigger kit (the outriggers of the chassis being the usual part to be effected) is £600+vat.

There are currently 20 Cerbera's listed on Pistonheads with the cheapest (an early 96 car - the first year of build) up at £19.5k. 10 years ago, when I was selling them, you probably could have bought the same car for sub 10K. As time goes on, they have risen in value as numbers have declined and the people that own them and love them are actually spending the money to keep them on the road.

You've got to really want one though. There are a lot of other exciting options out there (V8 Vantage/991/F-Type R etc) that are a lot more modern for similar money now so it's definitely a hard market to sell in. I'd still have one in a heartbeat though and rue not buying one when I had the chance.

I think Jason Cammisa made either a post or a story (can't remember) with a grill comparison between an E30 and a current BMW - the above pictures might be closer to reality than one would think ahah

EDIT: https://www.instagram.com/p/ByajkktgvsA/

It really was amazing (although a lot might argue stupid) for TVR to do what they did with the AJP. But such was Peter Wheeler. A bloody minded but absolutely brilliant bloke that did what he wanted with his brand. An AJP8 is an incredible engine and its a shame that people are starting to look at LS swaps instead of sticking with whats in there.

The Speed12 you mentioned is, I believe, still privately owned and just exhibited at the museum. As far as I'm aware it still gets driven on demonstration runs and the like and was used on the road previously. TVR actually brought the other factory road car to one of our garage-run trackdays at Croft back in 2000 when they were testing it and it was even more nuts in the flesh. Martin Brundle helicoptered in and ran it on the track and then buggered off when he broke it. #CSB

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I occasionally catch a Car Guys video (squashed david cameron and his bouncer) but he's sold his F40 so he can put his name down for every new ferrari going, dead to me now

So call it £10,000 to re-chassis, lose 10k from selling it with a rusty chassis, or £20 k from your agreed value insurance if you prang it?

Seems like crashing it makes the most sense financially.