• I should have clarified some of my pronouns a bit so the you meant "one" instead of sounding directed at OP, and maybe reduced what could be perceived as victim-blaming. For example that could read "it may be because you let it". And as I said, if the framebuilder (according to the OP) is full of lies this is simply not the OP's fault and has been infinitely dicked around and deserves all their money back ASAP. I agree @hippy although even more so - amicable should have left the building 8 months ago.

    and Uber Gruber for all of your anti-capitalistic business rants and 'brands and adverts are disgusting' etc that comment seems to show a lot of faith and adoration in
    The Customer is Always Right, deserves the best, the golden beacon of the market economy. Customers and clients have been known to be unreasonable, and these days with internet parts and direct access to the East market people will do their utmost to get the very most for the least amount. Not a lot to cheer about those market conditions - some amazing things are produced which aren't profitable. This might be the only time in my opinion when bikes and art intersect, ie when things aren't made for money.

  • Yeah fair do's, but the essence of your post is the sweeping generalisation that "most builders are weirdos" and it's somehow the customers job to make sure they actually deliver what's promised?

    If you can't earn a living from what you do, do something else. Don't over-promise to get business then do something half cocked and expect charity. And I say this as someone who's put their money where there mouth is and worked freelance in creative fields, so it's got nothing to do with cheering capitalist market conditions-its more to do with not being a cunt and ripping people off to fund your hobby.

  • I hate the internet because it makes it encourages everyone to not take their time and subsequently gloss over fine distinctions, no-one more so than myself.

    I do not not think ripping anyone off for money is legitimate. Nothing I've said should be supportive of that. Again if the builder is a liar then he needs to give the money back and get in the bin.

    I am admittedly - in a slightly off-topic way and probably legitimately hijacking the post - trying to make a general point about customer expectations. Maybe here isn't the place and I've sort of already attempted to put my point across. But for clarity, in this specific situation sounds like the OP got done. There is a larger point to be made about money-ed customers pushing their financial entitlement to unreasonable limits, but if it comes up again I'll take it elsewhere.

    Good luck to the OP to on getting a just resolution.

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