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• #127
He pointed out that many of these swing voters can be found in Conservative strongholds in the home counties and south-east – including areas where the Liberal Democrats made significant gains at the expense of the Tories at last month’s local elections.
That's the key I guess. When you break down the numbers, will having a "pro-Brexit"* leader risk marginal seats or not? I can't help but think that when it comes to the election, it'll be a bit Macron and Le Pen - with the general public holding their noise and voting for BJ to prevent a Corbyn govt.
What's interesting about the YouGov poll quoted is that those surveyed feel like they know BJ. Next closest "don't know enough" is Gove who polls 25% to BJ's 10%.
*as if BJ is pro anything other than himself
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• #128
The last 5 mins of news night was interesting last night> Matt Ford was on fresh from the one nation tory hustings, he had been the interviewer.
He spent most of the time talking about how mental Rabb is,
Rabb on not being a feminist. If you don't believe in equity between men and women are there any other areas of society where you also do believe in equity ? his response, I'm not a feminist, but I do believe in equity between men and women.
And Rabb plan to get the no deal brexit of his dreams is to get the queen to prorogue parliament so we just crash out!
other snippets he sounded surprised what Hunt came across as have a soul. and Gove was very impressive.
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• #129
And Rabb plan to get the no deal brexit of his dreams is to get the queen to prorogue parliament so we just crash out!
Is that remotely plausible? I'd have thought that the queen discontinuing parliament so as to ignore rules it earlier made would be a highly unlikely intervention by the royal family.
If it's not plausible, then it's just a waste of everyone's time. The day at my workplace when someone asks me whether I've done my actions from the last meeting and I say no, but I'm thinking of asking CEO to strike the minutes from it so I don't have to would likely be the last time I'm asked to do anything.
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• #130
They did touch on the fact that it would add to the general constitutional crisis and it would put the Queen in a very difficult position as she needs to be seen as impartial.
I don't think either Matt Ford or Emily Maitlis considered it to be likely. It was more a way of showing just how completely disconnected from reality Rabb really is.
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• #131
And Rabb plan to get the no deal brexit of his dreams is to get the queen to prorogue parliament so we just crash out!
Also, if Raab had a Brexit plan, or a negotiation strategy (or whatever they want to term it) he probably should have tried to do it when he was Brexit secretary.
There's three people who explicitly shouldn't be allowed to espouse fictional Brexit plans - May, Davis and Raab - because they've already been 'in charge' of it. Having been in charge, the current Brexit deal is either their implicitly implemented vision, or they've failed to implement it. Either of those two outcomes (in a sane world) should presumably disqualifies them from trying again.
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• #132
Next closest "don't know enough" is Gove who polls 25% to BJ's 10%.
Who is this 10% of the population which doesn't feel that it knows enough about Boris Johnson yet? What more will it take - an endoscopy?
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• #133
Yeah, Davis only managed to make it to a couple of negotiation meeting and even then he was drunk when he did turn up, apparently. and Raab was too busy working out that we're kind of reliant on on the Dover Calais crossing.
I'm sure both of them would say it was all Mays fault, she wouldn't let me invade Germany etc, etc
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• #134
Gove is my top. Given he campaigned for Leave he's spent the past three years appearing fairly neutral in the Brexit debate and generally keeping his nose clean.
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• #135
Given he campaigned for Leave he's spent the past three years appearing fairly neutral in the Brexit debate
I suppose just being a hypocrite is preferable to most of the other character flaws of the rest.
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• #136
fairly neutral in the Brexit debate
I wounder how that will go down with the 60k gammons that make up whats left of the Tory party membership.
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• #137
Depends who he’s up against in the final vote?
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• #138
Some current chat on the Boris Johnson case
https://twitter.com/JoshuaRozenberg
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• #139
I really don't understand why the defence seams to be so obsessed with the case being politically motivated why is that an issues, and how is it a defence. Either the law has been broken or it hasn't. If that's the best defence they've got, I wounder what that might suggest.
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• #140
- It undermines the case as a whole.
- It positions BJ as victim.
- It avoids having to defend the actual "charge", which in turn avoids having to repeat it out loud.
- It undermines the case as a whole.
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• #141
Gove is my top.
There's a t-shirt I won't be buying.
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• #142
So Boris' defence relies on the argument
it is unlikely anyone would trust what he says.
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• #143
it is unlikely anyone would trust what he says.
even when he not only says it, but it's written in massive lettering across his bus.
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• #144
I dunno
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• #145
There was a story in Private Eye recently about a complaint to the press regulator used by the Telegraph concerning some falsehood in a Johnson column, and the Telegraph's response was essentially the same.
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• #146
The case against Johnson has been quashed.
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• #148
^Has Gove just stabbed himself in the back?
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• #149
Was clearly going to come out anyway so they gave him the chance to spin it
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• #150
Actually, thinking about it, Gove does look a little cotton-mouthed and 'wirey' from time to time
I think it was some poll on conservative homes that everybody uses as evidence at bojo is the
favourite, not sure if that would be open to anybody or just member of the Tory party.
Its not all good news for bojo,
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/05/majority-of-voters-think-boris-johnson-would-make-bad-pm-polling-expert
As many people dislike him as like him.