EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Ha. Who said it was a choice?

I’m a mix of conflicting behaviours and I’m voting green later. I dislike the ‘all or nothing’ attitude that only seems directed at green or socialist ideas.

Another first time Green voter

Another green vote here, always voted labour before but as mentioned above wanted an unambiguous anti-brexit vote and couldn’t face Lib Dem’s. The country is fucked, putin must be laughing his cock off at the political destabilisation of the west .

Two Greens for my household. As others have said - if not now, when? You can actually vote green without feeling like you're throwing it away. Hopefully it's the start of them becoming "mainstream" (at least outside Brighton).

Green or Labour in Stokie/North Hackney?

On the basis of tactics rather than finer points of party ideology.

There will be a huge Labour vote anyway and the Tories/Brexit Party/UKIP are not going to win in London so vote for who you actually believe in.

Ha. Who said it was a choice?

Your lifestyle choices are well documented Will.

European elections are based on regions, and we are voting for candidates London wide.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48081347

This is quite a good explainer of the D'Hondt system of PR that is used:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CU3F3ToIIg

For me, the most important thing is voting for a pro remain party. Labour is not a pro remain party.

I'm in the south east and will be voting LD after a lifetime of Labour.

My mind was made up by my true blue Tory in laws who've never voted anything but Tory, they will also be voting LD for the first time (there are some Tory supporting remainers).

Living in Hackney is the same as living in Putney for the purposes of these elections.

As t-v said - your vote goes into the pot with the rest of London.

Sorry I meant London, have edited my post.

Principle is the same though - no way the Tories/Brexit Party/UKIP are going to win in the remain heartland that is London.

Think you're being overly hopefuly - According to this page - The Brexit party are on track to take a close second to the Lib Dems in London. They are both likely to get two seats with labour in third also getting two.

Then it's a case of trying to stop the tories getting any - Hopefully the Greens can grab two as well (I've got a feeling they may do better than this suggests). The concern is that the Change UK vote dilutes support for other remain parties, handing a seat to the Torys, or perhaps Change UK do just enough to grab the last seat.

Super complicated at the margins once 3 parties have had their votes halved and halved again to see where the last ones will go.

Remember '89?
Always Green at MEP level.
Green policies, solar panels, wind turbines, for example, are eventually backed by the FPTP-dependent mainstream parties. Hasten de-carbonisation of the economy by voting Green.
Added bonus in London, a Green vote should ensure a brexit party does not collect a MEP.

Sorry I meant London, have edited my post.

Principle is the same though - no way the Tories/Brexit Party/UKIP are going to win in the remain heartland that is London.

It will be interesting to see how Labour, who are also a Brexit party, will perform today.

I've never thought of voting for anyone else, but they won't have my vote today.

I'm sceptical but the point for me is fuck tactical voting: a bunch of parties without political principles is pretty much what got us into this mess in the first place. So I'm voting for who I believe is the right party to vote for.

99% sure I'm voting green later. 1% wants to vote LD. Generally a Labour voter (I've campaigned for them twice) up until now.

I'm not 100% as the Greens in my region (aside from the regional leader - Kat Boettge) really don't look like serious politicians (they look pretty much like you'd expect Greens to look I suppose). I know thats a ridiculous thing to say but they're hardly going to win over more centre right voters the way they are.

Yet they didn't win a single seat.

Yep,
'89 was the last Euro election run under FPTP.
Proportional representation was considered 'too European' for the mainland.

I'd agree with this - the problem is -its quite easy to be genuinely torn on who to vote for, and as such - understanding the dynamics might help someone choose.

know thats a ridiculous thing to say but they're hardly going to win over centre right voters

They are hardly going to win over you at the moment. Be the change you want to see.

The Lib Dems appear to think differently.

(Out of curiosity, when did the Greens move away from their previous anti-EU stance? I'm sure I remember them being all for a referendum ten years or so ago because it was excessively pro-business).

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what does "Stop brexit in london" even mean?

Again - according to the page I posted above, the Greens will do well to win one seat in the EM- so the only real candidate for them is the first on their list - the others (certainly from numbers 3 down) are to make up the numbers.

The more mainstream they become, the higher quality of candidate they will attract in the future.