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Damn, I should invoice Sian Berry.
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Yes, but you balance that against the reality of your situation.
If not now, when?
Given that they are generally my default vote, every time except when there is a specific reason - ie the last GE and these EE.
Despite that data I still think Greens are a better option in a lot of Brexit voting areas. But that is purely based on feelings.
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Tactical voting can make a difference but not much of one in terms of seats, if we believe the table put out by Remain United. They now suggest voting Lib Dem in every English Region. My guess is their predictions assume a similar turnout to 2014. They should have a much more nuanced offer. In 2014 the Greens won 3 seats with 6.9% while Lib Dems won 1 seat with 6.6%.
They should be focussed on getting the maximum anti-Brexit vote out, whatever party. The Lib Dems have revived in SW and may push out the Green. In London Labour and Tories are going to be slaughtered, there should be space for 2 Lib Dems and 2 Greens, or maybe 1 ChangeUK. There are 10 seats in SE, an increased turnout could see 2 Lib Dems and at least 1 Green. I was recently in the NE, there are only 3 MEPs there so tactical voting is more effective although political loyalties there run deep.We are all victims of the particular voting system in place. If GB voters had the same STV system as NI there would be far fewer Brexit seats.
By way of contrast I have just got my postal vote for the Australian Senate elections. There are 90 candidates among 35 parties plus another 14 independents. I have to choose 12 or more in order of my preferences.
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Green MEP Molly Scott Cato speaks sense.
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I hate that tactical voting is necessary and I'll happily vote Green other times. But nothing is more important than Brexit now. It'll cause more suffering for the disadvantaged than any disagreeable party policy. Will be doing a proxy vote in my parent's constituency (bigger impact than Scotland I think) for whichever anti-Brexit party has the best chance of winning.
PS. I say this as an ex-Green member.
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Turnout in 2014 was 35.6% nationally. The way to show the Tories and Labour that their policies are shit are a) to vote and b) to not vote for them. A much increased turnout will have more impact than anything else. So vote and don’t vote for that cunt Farage or any other Brexit supporting wanker.
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This, 'Turnout', is the big problem.
Neither Tories nor Labourn ever took the Euro Elections seriously.
Even this year, after 3 years of discussion of the EU, here we are
less than 3 weeks away from Euro Election Day, and how much coverage of the policies of the potential MEPs has there been?
Would Labour MEPs support the changes to the Common Agricultural Policy that were vetoed by Cameron & Osborne? Would they support the anti-Tax Haven legislation that would have been on the Westminster legislative agenda had we not had a referendum?
Vote, encourage friends & neighbours to vote,
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vote for whichever party best suits your opinion on brexit,
because as we saw with the Local Elections mendacious politicians will re-interpret any ambiguity to their own benefit. -
I can't actually see this because it's blocked at work (hopefully it comes out alright below...), but it looks like Gina Miller's site has put out a recommended vote:
Just Lib Dems
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That map was added to their site sometime yesterday. It makes some sense in the smaller regions but where there are 7-10 candidates it is very disappointing to focus only on Lib Dems. They claim their opinion polling technique is the best available but it still doesn't deal with changes in turnout. The referendum vote was won by targeting and delivering those who didn't usually vote
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Yeah. I don't know about their techniques obviously. I guess they (remain united) can only target people who already want to vote but want to do so tactically.
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Yep. the Green vote is going to be really hard to predict too, as these issues have rocketed up the public agenda recently.
I do wish the TIG/Lib Dems had somehow combined for the purpose of the EU elections. That seems to me where votes are going to be split with the only real impact being it gives Team Farage a better chance of picking up a few seats. It seems like TIG are unlikely to pick up more than one or two seats - so what the point in hoovering up a bunch of remainer votes when they could be more useful in a different pot. It's not like they have any policies beyond stop brexit.
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Aren't they? I don't frequent the other side's echo chambers so wouldn't know.
I'm pretty sure the Brexit party would like UKIP to fold so they can hoover their votes - but those parties are "different". Team Farage is trying to be the respectful face of Gammon, while UKIP are appealing to the out and out fascists.
Who are the Lib Dems / TIG trying to appeal to? The same people. The Green Party is overtly and prominently green, so are a different choice to Lib Dem/TIG.
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That's what I'm saying!
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the two largest parties are pro-Brexit
Well ...
It'll be very interesting to see if this gets him anywhere. I do like the attempt to remove the division, but it seems like a rather unlikely proposition at the moment ... still, you never know, eh? :)
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It's the the first bit of media strategy he's ever employed isn't it?
Not a bad idea, as it gives them enough slack to avoid expressing their views on Brexit. But obviously bullshit.
Unfortunately it means we will have to listen to endless rounds of
Interviewer: But what is your position on Brexit?
Labour bod: now we really need to get away from Brexit. What the EE are really about is the Tory's austerity policies.Rince and repeat.
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That's what I'm talking about!
If you never vote for the party your values align with out of fear of the maths, they'll always remain a fringe party. The main parties are aware of this and exploit it. Fuck 'em, they have to earn my vote. The loonies aren't afraid to vote for Brexit Party and UKIP which are far less established than the Greens, yet we're bullied into voting for Labour/Lib Dems, what a nonsense.