Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

Dolan GXA looks good, bit like the Mason but cheaper and tidier. It's alu tho.

One of these if you want steel https://www.veloheld.de/veloheld-iconx-frame

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Is what it is. Tapered steel fork steerers is probably the most daft thing I've seen in a while

:-D

They don't look too bad if you stand back, although they're available with a carbon fork as well.

Would defo need carbon forks. Look nice otherwise.

This

That's a 44mm headtube, no? The silver one isn't.

The lower part is - but with a ZS44 headset cup for 1-1/8" steerer (allows for an EC44 lower cup and tapered steerer)

That's what I meant, in a dumbed-down way. Steel head tubes should be straight IMHO, regardless of tapered forks.

Swings, roundabouts and tubes bigger than they need to be 😉

Mason bokeh is alloy ? At 1250£ ?

If you source some carbon forks, you could get custom steel for around a grand

@chrisbmx116 Trek Checkpoint ALR?

Mason = Overpriced because they use mass production techniques and materials on small batch frames
Condor = Overpriced and nothing special compared to a Genesis
Genesis = Great if you are ok with steel in that case Fugio

The bigger the brand; specialized, trek etc. the better. Fuck all this small batch artisanal shite. No1 can match a big brand's budget in customer service, R&D, design & testing.

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Fuck all this small batch artisanal shite.

*Throws Swarf in bin *

get a stumpjumper evo alloy 🤣

@chrisbmx116 this could be you

Agree as much as I don’t want to!

@chrisbmx116

http://bombtrack.com/arise-2-black-2/

If you want carbon forks maybe not but I love mine.

Also below your budget!

Dear god. I hope not.
Cheers @Fox , looks nice but the dropouts stress me out.

CHEERS AS EVER.
I think I may want steel, find all feels fat and is a pretty harsh ride, I'm used to old steel bikes/kids bikes, I like steel.
I do still like Condor frames and they are only £100 more than Genesis no?

http://bombtrack.com/arise-geared-2-2/

My friend's got one if you want a look IRL.

Given your budget you probably don't want cro mo though.

Prefer that for sure... but 4130 is for kids bikes. Can't spot the price on those either?

Get a custom Titanium frame with a King Headset and some nice forks for £1k from Waltly or somewhere similar. I love mine

These are real cool but christ they're spenny

Oh man, that sounds kinda cool... I don't think I'd have a clue what to order custom wise though... the only angles and lengths I know are ones on bmxs.