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I know but they're clearly mince pie adjacent. Often literally.
What I will say is that I note the 'Good Housekeeping Approved' logo on the dreadful puff pastry pies @mespilus posted, which also appears on the Aldi yule log, but I found the icing far too sugary. Lidl is much better and a pound cheaper too.
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If you do like thick pastry, Wild Grains (on the industrial estate off Blackhorse Lane) is good. I had this on the 8th so can't remember enough for a proper review, but IIRC the mincemeat was very good and the pastry speaks for itself. Can't remember what they cost but prices are normally very good there too.
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I wonder if it varies from branch to branch, because while my experience of them isn't extensive from what I've experienced/heard the more typical experience is they pick a price out of the air, then if it's high you need to negotiate it down. But if you use a builder who's used to dealing with them they'll know what they should be paying.
the days of trademans saving fortunes over the customer price is gone from experience
It's definitely gone with Howdens as it's trade only :P
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it seems like Howdens' is set up to allow builders to choose how much they can rip off customers by
Yep exactly that. But in their defence if you do the admittedly annoying negotiation dance they can be very good for the money.
I do hope your answer to his initial question was 'as little as possible'.
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