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Why do you need a people's assembly to research and recommend interventions when there are already countless existing institutions, academics, ngo's that already have sufficient knowledge and recommendations that could do this ? Plenty of paths forwards have already been proposed, why add in an extra layer of bureaucracy, if you have got government to the point of agreeing a timeline, the how will be fairly straightforwards to identify
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Completely agree that the government needs to lead. Corporations won't go green until they have to and they have the ability to have far larger impacts on mitigation than expecting individuals to make lifestyle choices which is just playing around the edges. I see day in day out, senior individuals at major emitters saying how terrible climate change is and then make decisions that are environmentally bad but good for the shareholders and not see the impact they are having because they believe if it was that important the laws and regulations would of been changed....they probably use bags for life and paper straws though so feel they are doing thier bit
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^ The Citizens Assembly would have all the expertise as resource. It’s a bit of a read but many of your questions around an assembly are answered here:
https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/
(click on the arrow next to ‘03’)Also worth looking at the Assemblies page (link at the bottom of that page).
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Why do you need a people's assembly to research and recommend interventions when there are already countless existing institutions, academics, ngo's that already have sufficient knowledge and recommendations that could do this ?
Because people may be more likely to accept a plan that they feel had input from people just like them. Not from the usual experts.
We largely know what we need to do. The main work is getting people to agree to drastic changes in lifestyle, and not to penalise political parties that say they will enact these things, through the ballot box.
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So they are all 20 something middle class children who live off their parents and have never done a day's work.
Or perhaps not.
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We need a Citizens Assemble partly because the existing system doesn't work; despite the science and knowledge the government has been going backwards on strategies that impact climate change.
Also because parliament is full of lobbyists who are there full time influencing MPs in favour of policies that disregard climate change.
And because MPs rarely if ever canvassed or were elected on climate change, therefore they have little mandate, and a reluctance to do anything when it contradicts what they were elected for.
It also enables parliamentarians to continue with their other work while a new body gets on with the job of trying to prevent climate breakdown.
And also quite possibly because of a level of corruption or at least dishonesty that leads MPs to make decisions based on their own benefit.
Citizens Assemblies can bypass all of them very simply. The processes for selection are not fixed but really simple to implement, and not expensive. The CA process is also very familiar, we use it all the time in the justice system, so we are pretty comfortable with it.
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It's disgustingly hypocritical that Extinction Rebellion profit from the good weather brought about by Climate Chaos. I'm just waiting for a few days of good old British downpour to watch them all scuttling back to their trust fund flats.
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Why do we need a Citizens' Assembly when we already have a fixie forum?
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Look at them, they can't even handle a fountain. When I was young ...
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You were responding to my previous post? If not please quote what you are replying to.
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Hehehe you are man-of-the-people Thomas Adam Babington Boulton AICMFP ;)
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Ok, that now makes sense. Have a read here regards the Citizens Assembly.
Why the reluctance by xr to highlight/propose these solutions now if affecting business not household? Fear of solutioneering?
There are no shortage of ideas but policies proposals really need to come from an assembly looking at the best evidence in order to have credibility.
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Also who will pay for my boiler to be replaced. If zero carbon by 2025 is a goal then gas boilers have to go and that will cost alot but also impossible to deliver as there are not enough trained fitters to all 23 million houses in the u.k over the next 6 years.
Also if all plumbers were fitting new boilers and you pipes start leaking good luck in finding a plumber. 6 year wait.
XR is quite guilty of having a ill thought through plans. That's why I don't like citizens assemblies. A gathering of the ill informed who then make ill informed choices because evidence gets ignored. That what politicans do and we are just like them. That's the sad truth.
I doubt a citizens assembly would come up with the right answer according to XR unless it is stuffed with the "right" kind of people. People in general listen to evidence they agree with. That's always been the case. That's human psychology.
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Excellent, so that's 20,000 new plumbers we'll need. What about insulating all houses? And installing solar panels on every roof? And battery packs in every house? And changing the electricity grid over to support these renewables?
These are all the green jobs that will be created when we take the plunge to creating a zero carbon economy.
A lot of these jobs will be filled by people from the oil, gas and coal industry, who will get free training and a guaranteed job.
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Right, back on track. Assembly stuff on your link makes some sense although doesn't fill me with confidence immediately. I may warm to it as time goes by, I can offer no better alternative.
I'm still not sure the timeline checks out given the number of subject areas to tackle. How will these be prioritised?
It all sounds like it could lead to death by committee before any action can be taken. Also the impartiality of those chosen may still be questionable.
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23 million
Hang on. New boilers in 23 million houses in 2191 days. That's 23 million boilers at a rate of 10,497 boilers replaced per day.
Who is making these boilers in these volumes and when are they due to start arriving?
How much will they typically cost, and will an incentive scheme be used to boost uptake?
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Questions asked from a desire to better understand, not undermine (there may be an article covering this I can be directed to):
How will the People Assembly be recruited? Democratically? How many people will sit on it & represent the rest of us? How will regions be represented, will it relate to area or population density? Who will chair the assembly? Who will ensure those within aren't acting in other interests? Who will protect those in the assembly from media witchhunts, or worse, physical attacks from those in disagreement with their ideas? How will agreement be determined - e.g. could 52/48 scenarios further divide the country? What are the propsed timescales for moving research into action (we've already got <6yrs reducing daily, remember)?
Why the reluctance by xr to highlight/propose these solutions now if affecting business not household? Fear of solutioneering?
I want this to work, the detail is key to this though despite the exciting "headlines".