Extinction Rebellion

You should feel guilty about flying to see your parents to shave a couple of days of travel off your holiday. You should feel guilty about eating lamb just because you feel like it. Your friend should feel guilty for producing more emissions than 50 people with normal jobs (is he so important?). It's most likely people in poor nations in decades to come who will bear the cost of your decisions and they don't have a say in what you choose to do. You are picking the "selfish enjoyment" option and expecting someone worse off to pay the price. How could you not feel guilty about that?

(Not that there's anything wrong with doing something for selfish enjoyment. Simply staying alive is selfish enjoyment at the world's expense unless you are somehow directly responsible for reducing the severity of climate change by more than you increase it.

But it has to be in moderation. Like eating 4 Easter eggs in a day, you feel a bit guilty, but recognise it's a rare occasion and is not sustainable to go on the same way all the time.)

Christ I am an insufferable bore.

eating 4 Easter eggs in a day.

You monster

3 meals and dessert isn't it.

(I actually don't have any Easter eggs because of the old unemployment, a. since when are they £10 each, WTF? b. I no longer have any awareness of holidays)

what kind of Easter eggs are £10 ?

This x1000

Genuinely why should we give a shit about you @cycleclinic wanting to be selfish when your actions/unsustainable 'living' directly and negatively effects the rest of us (and you btw).

Saying that this is alarmist sounds like cognitive dissonance on your part when you also say that you recognize that climate change is a serious issue . Effectively you are saying that it's an issue but you can't be arsed to change your behavior while at the same time criticising people for not wanting to walk 50m down the road to reduce NO2 emissions. Your argument is all over the place.

It literally is that bad and that immediate and while changing building regs etc definitely need to happen, it won't happen unless politicians see it as an issue they need to jump on. That is what direct action is and achieves. And if it doesn't persuade them that way, then disrupting cities, businesses, the police, infrastructure etc so enough people start to lose money may create that change

Expensive ones?

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I bought two fancy ones like this....

I saw these £10 eggs from a distance in a normal supermarket yesterday - might have been those ^ Cadbury ones, and that was £10 on offer as well. Didn't look too closely.

Anyway I haven't felt so hopeful about the climate for years and it's because of the XR guys. It's so very easy to feel powerless in the face of such a huge, ingrained system, and these protest are proof that it's not the case at all.

All of this. It's incredible how something like flying has gone from an extreme luxury to inalienable right in 1-2 generations

10 quid for an Easter egg???? gtfo

Basically £10 for two big bars, but whatever, Jesus died and came back as a rabbit to hand them out.

Yep, VAT on jet fuel dents the easyjet/ryanair/copycat business model overnight
and negates the projected air transport growth and renders the 3rd runway at Heathrow unviable.

Is this planned to go on next week too?

Yes you are. Grandparents wanting to fly over to see grandchildren. FFS nothing wrong with that. Some people not privileged to live nearby their ageing parents. Or able to afford to double the time off to drive/train somewhere thousands of miles away.

Maybe get a job you bum, and stop moaning on the internet.

I don’t like flying that much but it is a necessity on many occasions, especially for the odd long weekend city-break in New York.

I don’t like flying that much but it is a necessity on many occasions, especially for the odd long weekend city-break in New York.

Um. What?

Your post was a kinda shitty personal attack before the edit, but that just takes the biscuit

Moving to Italy away from your family is a choice, and anyone who actually cares about climate change should think about the cost to the environment when making that sort of decision. And the privilege angle is a joke when we're talking about Westerners retiring to Italy and flying back and forth.

Gee, just get a job! Why didn't I think of that?

I assumed the last paragraph was especially chosen to make clear the tone of the rest? (ie. satire)

Internet. Complicated.

“Moving to Italy away from your family is a choice, and anyone who actually cares about climate change should think about the cost to the environment when making that sort of decision“

Perhaps in that case yes, but not everyone that lives away from parents is because their parents retired elsewhere.

Personally there were no suitably appealing jobs with a salary commensurate to my skills where I grew up, so I came to London (my choice) for a career primarily. The environmental impacts of living far away from parents didn’t really feature as part of that decision (almost 15 years ago), way below making a livelihood or convenience/cost of being far away, for example.

Yet I don’t own a car, don’t really eat red meat, recycle as much as possible, buy lots of things used, don’t subscribe to “fast fashion” and so on. I try. I also bought a Greggs vegan sausage roll the other day.

But flying back home here and there is unavoidable and I won’t drive or get the train. Don’t be silly.

Wow there’s no sense of humour in this thread, maybe it doesn’t translate that well in which case I apologise. If you’d flown to a few more culturally different places maybe you’d have a better understanding that “sense of humour” is in fact...cultural. Anyway , carry on.

If people are forced to move away from their families for economic reasons and then travel back and forth that is not their fault, it's a problem with society/business at large. We wouldn't have this problem if we had a carbon tax or cap & trade or something. You could move away from your family but you pay the environmental cost when you travel. If the salary increase is worth the increased cost of travel then it makes sense to move, otherwise stay where you are. Job done. A direct financial cost is the best way to make people aware of the impacts of their choices.

I dispute that flying within the UK is necessary.

Sorry if I overreacted!

I try. I also bought a Greggs vegan sausage roll the other day.

You fucking monster

I don’t think it’s the right approach to penalise people for flying, it’s a mode of travel not a luxury. It would be better to incentivise air carriers to focus on having cleaner planes and penalise those that don’t. Obviously this only works if all countries play ball.

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Where do I collect my award?