EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Yeah, fucking joke. 2 days to the (initial) deadline and we're only just doing this now.

The whole thing is so delicate. If snap election results had been ever so slightly different - just a few more/fewer Tory MPs we would be leaving on Friday for sure I think.

Thanks, that's very useful!

Local Council Elections are May 2nd... voting card just arrived. What odds a GE same day?

They need 25 working days to dissolve parliament I think, so they'd have to declare it today or tomorrow...

May 2nd

The serendipity...

lol

parliament unusually quiet and attentive to Margaret Becket's speech in favour of a confirmative vote for any agreement reached by parliament

have we had this yet?

https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/11­10811956678742016?s=07

Amazing

K - Labour’s - Customs union and alignment with single market

Another unicorn. It is D with a transition to H if the UK wants to spend 10 years and a gazillion IT and other systems. Or J, but that is going to cause a whole lotta problems around goods and services.

I have a sneaky feeling that the second ref. motion might just barely squeak through...

M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote

Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification.

Please tell me this wouldn't be another case of people saying what they don't want but not saying what they do want... would 'remain' definitely be an option on public vote? Or just yay/nay to the deal (and around we go again)?

Omfg that Fysh guy needs someone to step on his toes, with some gusto. Get the fuck on with it.

My understanding of the original Kyle and Wilson amendment is that remain is stipulated as an option against whichever deal parliament has chosen.

This is the text:

That this House will not allow in this Parliament the implementation and ratification of
any withdrawal agreement and any framework for the future relationship unless and until
they have been approved by the people of the United Kingdom in a confirmatory public
vote.

I suppose it depends whether you can read anything into "confirmatory"?

Given that it's just indicative, not legally binding, I suppose it doesn't really matter at this stage. If it passes and the government implements it then MPs ought to have an opportunity to decide on the nature of the vote.

May is at 1922 committee meeting now

Tory 1922 committee absolutely rammed for PM’s speech. @PhilipHammondUK, @Jeremy_Hunt @sajidjavid all struggling to get in. “Would you like to lead a delegation to sit on the window sill, Home Secretary?” asks one MP.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1110950388772028416

Edit: rumour is she will step down once Brexit happens (i.e. when the WA passes)

I have a sneaky feeling that the second ref. motion might just barely squeak through...

agreed - my fear is despite everything the fucknuggets will vote Leave again in RefII

May will quit if her deal is passed

May says she's going to go before the next phase of Brexit talks. I'm not clear what that means - if her deal passes, what would the next phase look like?

I'm also not clear why this is anything to be grasped on, as surely the world and his wife knew she'd be out regardless once the direction of Brexit is (initially) settled .

The flat-Earth-Brexiteers reckon they can put someone else in charge of the Future Relationship negotiations or whatever and go back on their promises/burn any agreements/whatever ultimately leaving us with no deal or a minimal deal.

PS. you Londoners should really get rid of Hoey, she is a disgrace

Yes, I'm not sure why she gets elected, or at least why she has the Labour whip. She must be a phenomenal local MP if no-one else with a Labour flag could win in Vauxhall (I doubt she is - her local party want her out).

Chinny, chinny reckon.

I mean, seriously, who’d believe any commitment she makes after her endless, cynical lying?

I can imagine her not resigning and saying that she has changed her mind, but that the public are not allowed to change their minds re the original referendum.

why does a leadership change appeal to tory MPs? why should that buy their support of TM's deal? it can't just be the career ambition of a few of them who want to be leader - there must be more to it, no?

May's deal is just the first step. After that gets passed then we need to actually negotiate what the future deal with the EU would be. Unsurprisingly not many people want May in charge of that.