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  • We don't "accept" votes. We don't enter into the equation.

    What we don't have to do is applaud people simply because one of their opinions coincides with one of ours.

    But people can be Grieve fanboys if they want. I'm sure a number of people on here think austerity has been the right thing.

    Playing these rhetorical games is at least partially to blame for us being where we are.

    I enjoyed Micheal Jacksons "Thriller"≠I am an enthusiastic paedophile

  • Wait. I compared political positions to political positions, and you compared paedophilia and a pop song, yet claim I'm playing rhetorical games?

  • Wait. I compared political positions to political positions, and you compared paedophilia and a pop song, yet claim I'm playing rhetorical games?

    Yes, which a man of your education/intelligence obviously knows and understands, which makes your subsequent protest entirely cynical. Which is a worry.

    In your case you take as your initial assertion that people are happy that Grieve has done something they judge to be positive (which is demonstrably true), and tie that to your subsequent assertion that this makes them fanboys.

    Now this doesn't survive even a cursory inspection - it's as coherent as "you spoke to a girl, you love her, you're going to marry her".

    But if people take you as someone with a degree of authority (which I think they do, rightly or wrongly) they may simply take your assertion on face value, and treat it as fact.

    What this achieves is to further polarise the discussion, making people question their own judgement, and whether it can ever be correct to agree with someone whose beliefs are not your own in the majority of cases. It defeats cooperative behaviours by reinforcing tribal, us-and-them attitudes. It's dangerous and divisive and I think you should consider whether it's appropriate.

    My example took something I admitted to, and then extrapolated that to a (what I would hope) was a clearly silly second assertion. That it was ridiculous was the point, as it was an illustration.

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