Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

I have never seen one in white.
That’s really different.
Would love to see one in the flesh.

Speaking of Alfa Romeo has anyone any experience of 159 2.4JTDM Q-Tronic?

I'm admiring a Sportwagon and just wondering if anyone has experience with them particularly engine and gearbox reliability?

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Engine supposed to be good . Semi auto box less so.

No experience, but I've alwsy wanted one. They're absolutely beautiful.

Only the Italians could make an estate that has less cubic inches than the saloon it was derived from.

You don’t buy an Italian car with your head.
It’s not a vehicle it’s more of a mechanical pet.

True enough... I'll probably put about 20,000+ miles a year on it though...

Unfortunately, you need to get the onboard computers read with the proper cit/pug software.

What is up with the semi box?

2.4 jtd engine is lovely, more for power and speed than efficiency I think.

More to go wrong I guess .
Italian electrics etc....

Thanks.
I’m more and more looking forward to get rid of it now. And get something vintage instead.

Have the software and special cable, but am a bit far from you.

Thought it was hydraulic/electric of a manual box.

Thanks. I’m in Rotterdam at the moment so out of my comfort zone in several ways.
Would have been very much appreciated if I had been local, though.

Saw one of these in the wilds of Surrey. (JTDM)

Was mildly aroused. #DatOffsetPlate

In other Italian deriere remodels...

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That’s what I meant . I have always been advised to avoid selespeeds et al , if an equivalent manual exists that is .

Thought about one a few times, that's the right engine to get, 5cyl is best combo of economy vs sound.
Think by this age most electrical gremlins will have been sorted.

Had a few selespeeds, as they were cheaper and no one wanted to buy them. Especially as the ones I got had issues so were priced at scrap value. Issues I found were people driving them like an normal autobox, not a manual box with hydraulics. Seemed to make the gearbox light come on. Needs to have the latest software for that system and needs to be installed in a certain way and fiat dealers seemed not to be able to do it. Also issues with the change hydraulic fluid getting contaminated by water and dirt so change can help.

There also drive shaft mount bearings?? in the gearbox that fail. It is an fucking arse to replace as you have to drop the subframe.

EDIT: Reading that I suspect you are right and I am the idiot.

Very welcome, try and find a citroen/pug specialist with the software. Some pug/cit forums do list people with the software and many will interrogate the software for a drink or forum contribution.

These are the very things am talking about , when they worked fair play but a straightforward manual box was a whole lot simpler.
I also happen to like a good manual gearbox , I like the action of changing gear that way as I feel it's all part of "driving" . Part of these reason we didn't buy a Giulia to replace the Giulietta recently as you can't buy a manual box in this country . All flappy paddles no clutch pedal.
Not for me.

I did add you are right and I am an idiot or have some sort of masochist tendency.

I did like the race car/arcade game feel of driving the cars. Never had them for long as I sold them on.

Well the deposit is paid so hopefully it's a good one :)

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yes sorry , you said that whilst I was typing.

Well done. Love the look of these and I feel like everyone into cars should own an Alfa at some point.

It'll look good even if it won't start, or go when started - so you'll always be winning to a degree.