EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Well Hancock is slowly falling apart.

Anybody live in Ramsgate?
I wonder how the dredging is going for our new, stealth ferry service?

Living through history is getting a bit tedious.

Yeah,
who knew history proceeded at such slow motion.
All the MPs are there, now.
20 minute comfort break, 2 hour debate, straight to the Vote of Confidence.

..has this been resolved yet?

Quote of the night, Consensus on what not to do but not on what to do.
I still don’t really see how a people’s vote will achieve much.

How do we get round to a remain Vs no deal vote in the HoC?

I know what you mean, but being on LFGSS, that's just our fate. Never any let-up. :)

I wouldn't class the time elapsed since the 2016 referendum as 'slow motion'.

This has been one hell of a popcorn parliament .

so we voted to leave right, regardless of any deal, or any thought of a deal, or any care for any deal - so no-deal ......isnt that the default then, and any sort of deal a bonus - therefore why should be asked to vote again ? just do it without the deal ....

The stuff she comes out with really takes some beating:

People, particularly EU citizens who have made their home here and UK citizens living in the EU, deserve clarity on these questions as soon as possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/15/brexit-vote-parliament-latest-news-may-corbyn-gove-tells-tories-they-can-improve-outcome-if-mays-deal-passed-politics-live?page=with:block-5c3e3d02e4b0e86a8682870e#block-5c3e3d02e4b0e86a8682870e

So who was it again who has persistently, pettily, and pig-headedly refused to consider guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens here, which would easily have led to assurances to Brits abroad?

As expected, the no confidence vote will most likely affirm confidence in the Government, as the DUP have said they'll support May.

Are you saying they're doing that vote tonight, not tomorrow?

Tho everyone from Boris to Farage via Redwood and Hannan said we’d get a deal, no bother, German cars blahblah.

So no, “no deal” should not be the default because people were assured it wouldn’t happen.

..has this been resolved yet?

Funny you should ask that.

Mr Speaker, every day that passes without this issue being resolved means more uncertainty, more bitterness and more rancour. The government has heard what the house has said tonight, but I ask members on all sides of the house to listen to the British people, who want this issue settled, and to work with the government to do just that.

You are usually quicker than that Oliver

I was busy stockpiling food into myself at the time. You can't start too early.

No,
I was suggesting that if Parliament was not so caught up in its procedures,
it could have had the VoC tonight, to save time,
as, today we have had the vote on the Tmay WA we should have had back in December.

Ah, OK.

There is no way forward

So, back to the electorate.
We've had 2 years of unravelling of the Leaver claims,
from 'easiest Trade Deal ever', 'it'll be just like it is now, but we'll be free to spend our money on the NHS', 'They need us more then we need them',
to 'There will be sufficient food', 'Brexit will be survivable', 'I'm the biggest buyer of fridges'.

Almost 3 years of newly age-allowed voters*,
and, three years of typical UK age mortality.

should be a walk for Remain.

(* Vested interest; mespilus jr. is now old enough to vote).

So if the current government remains in power, it's no-deal or a referendum or a second parliamentary vote much closer to B-day.

In the unlikely event of a GE and Labour coalition win, B-day is kicked down the road while the new govt negotiates a new agreement and we're probably right back here in January 2020?

The government has heard what the house has said tonight, but I ask members on all sides of the house to listen to the British people, who want this issue settled

I still can't actually believe she said this.

Actually, yes I can.

Complicating factor;
2019 sees an-EU wide election of the European Parliament.
One of the deciding factors for sending the notification of A50 letter,
was to ensure, from a brexitty viewpoint, 'We were out before this election'
and,
did not get caught up in the next 5-Year EU Budget.
ERG/gammons already frothing over the £39bn payment to resolve our obligations,
imagine their demeanour were we to sign up for 'normal' payments for another year,
(if the EU27 agreed to such temporary membership)?

'They need us more then we need them'

The lady behind the bar at the pub this evening believed this to be true. I'm still not sure why anyone would believe this to be true. Precisely why does anyone think that the 27 other countries in the EU are so dependent upon the UK? Genuinely mystified, particularly as it seems to be a commonly-held belief.

I'm loathe to spend too much time attempting to out any logic to a brexitty slogan,
but,
I thnk it is partly based the Trade Deficit the UK runs with the EU27*,
and maybe because the UK is one of the few net contributors to the EU Budget**.

*Some of this is due to other EU countries sweetheart deals with tech companies;
buy a Dell, it counts as an import from Ireland,
purchases from Apple likewise,
Starbucks domiciled in the Netherlands,
let alone the many companies domiciled in Luxembourg.

** When the north of the UK was hit by extraordinary floods in '15 or'16,
Cameron famously refused to apply for EU funding to restore basic services.