EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

They really are an exceedingly charming group of people.

The Sunday Times quoted one unnamed Tory MP as saying: “The moment is coming when the knife gets heated, stuck in her front and twisted. She’ll be dead soon.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/22/tories-identify-mps-vile-language-theresa-may-yvette-cooper

Quite.

Their usual MO of stabbing their own in the back not enough obviously - they have to embellish the job with some violent, hateful incitement also.

That sort of language has no place anywhere. I mean WTF, try using that on Twitter talking about a politician and see how the police likes it.

One Tory MP and public critic of May, Mark Francois, said the language was “unacceptable” but that he would not tell the Conservative chief whip, Julian Smith, how to do his job.

Em, you can like ASK for action. Strange excuse...

I think telling the whip's office how to do their job is a pretty terminal political decision.

Because they might threaten to kill you too?

One Tory MP and public critic of May, Mark Francois, said the language was “unacceptable” but that he would not tell the Conservative chief whip, Julian Smith, how to do his job.

To be fair, I think him making that statement ("I'm not telling him how to do his job, but...") is a way of suggesting the Whip should do his job.

Certainly your career.

Was it him then? I thought the name of the MP was still suppressed?

He certainly has previous, with the row over the pairing 'mistake' (yeah, bollocks to that).

Can you not say something that "I voiced my concern with the whip, decision lies with them"?

But maybe this is some indirect call to action.

Reading it again, I think the indirect language is intended to make it stand out more, while not being outwardly threatening (a bit like some people using "We would be very much obliged if you would..." when they mean "Do this on pain of death!").

The article should have stated that no parliament can bind a subsequent (or indeed same) parliament. The electorate doesn't need to feature. Although, by extension, the choices of the electorate cannot bind choices of future electorates, once Parliament is involved.

The mandate point seems nuanced on the fact that it a mandate is not part of this process - it's a veil of legitimacy worn when decisions (at the Parliamentary and Government level) are taken.

Given the ambiguity of any mandate inferred from the first referendum (due to it having completely insufficient framework for a true mandate to be inferred), the author raises a credible doubt that a subsequent referendum would lead to further ambiguos mandates, and ambiguity held more weight.

Either way, it would still take legislation to put into effect any preferences stated, because muh sovrnty, and endless had wringing as to whether the government had backing to do so (irrespective of the fact they demonstrably have the authority).

A second referendum would not overturn anything - you can't overturn an opinion poll.

Agreed on the GE point though.

We're doooooooomed:

We were doomed. We're now officially totally fucked.

I've just ordered a pallet of baked beans.

Sadly, I really hate baked beans. So far I'm stocking up on rice, pasta, canned fish and tins of tomatoes. And some extra Huel. It's the protein which is the tricky bit, so I should probably buy some lentils as well.

SIs don't need to go before Parliament though, do they?

I thought the whole point of the sovrnty eviscerating EU Withdrawal Act was that the Government could do what it wanted without Parliamentary oversight?

Peas are surprisingly proteinaceous.
Recently tried Pea flour-based fusilli from Sainsburys. 20% protein. Wheat-based pasta seems to top out at +/-14%.

Not that we aren't fucked, either way. It's likely that far fewer SIs have been anticipated than will actually be needed.

But you cant tell the future, @Dammit! You don't have have a crystal ball!

Isn't this the basis if the claims of Henry VIII (omnipotence) clause?

Get some chickens and a cow / goat. Eggs and milk throughout the apocalypse.

^^I have to admit that this is only partially true, I have been granted a powerful second sight and can predict with total accuracy the precise shade of pink that certain posters on Facebook go when responding to certain subjects.

Sadly, I really hate baked beans. So far I'm stocking up on rice, pasta, canned fish and tins of tomatoes. And some extra Huel. It's the protein which is the tricky bit, so I should probably buy some lentils as well.

How long a famine are you planning for?

Ethiopia will be sending us relief shipments of teff.

Also, should I read anything into this?

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Some do, some don't. Many have to be 'laid before Parliament', which just means stuffing it into the Parliamentary library. Very few require an actual vote.