EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • I've not been following this that closely. Did he say that of Chequers, or all of Brexit?

  • Chequers I think. But it seems widely recognised that he's doing a Linton 'dead cat' manoeuvre as Paul Waugh notes in his briefing today.

    During the EU referendum of 2016, Brexiteers were very vocal in saying what they didn’t like about the EU, without setting out a detailed plan for what they would put in its place. Getting out or staying in were famously the only two choices on the ballot paper. And two years on, it is opposition not proposition that still has the upper hand in our Brexit future. To coin a phrase, nothing has changed.
    Jacob Rees-Mogg’s group of backbench Eurosceptics have delayed publication of their own plans for Brexit. Yet a different kind of Moggy, the ‘dead cat’ strategy (you say something so outrageous that it’s all people focus on, like plonking a deceased feline on a table during dinner) was deployed by Boris Johnson this weekend. His Mail on Sunday article, comparing Theresa May’s Chequers deal to a ‘suicide vest’ strapped around the UK, seemed deliberately designed to distract the world from not only his alleged adultery and impending divorce, but also from the absence of a detailed alternative. It had the added bonus of showing that Johnson, not Rees-Mogg, was the leading Brexiteer in the referendum and wants to be the top dog today.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-waugh-zone-monday-september-10-2018_uk_5b963a76e4b0162f472eee9a

  • Sounds like it's all going to be irie, this lot have all bases covered...

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1039472978126417920

  • Although they are the answers on the actual version the tweet seems to miss the bit where it says "See p. x for further information" which does give a more detailed answer.

    For instance, the answer to Q 18 is actually
    No.
    FDI (foreign-owned capital seeking to invest here or elsewhere) goes where there are good returns.
    The UK has always been a magnet for FDI because of its strong legal framework and generally probusiness
    climate. Although there possibly could be an initial hiatus - largely due to perceived
    uncertainty - it is instructive to observe that inward investment has continued to be strong following
    the Referendum and despite an unparalleled campaign of fear that continues to this day.
    Once it is clear that the UK is moving to a system of free trade through a combination of FTAs with
    robust protections for foreign investors and unilateral tariff reductions, accompanied by less
    onerous regulations, FDI is likely to surge. Singapore operates a free trade policy and FDI has
    always been strong.
    What could change after Brexit is the perception of the sectors where returns are perceived by
    investors to be most attractive.

  • "Singapore operates a free trade policy and FDI has
    always been strong."

    Singapore also has a strong government social housing program, mandatory saving programs and other not very "liberal" measures which keep people out of the deprivation we see in the UK. [which people are ok with btw, they are also more authoritarian on drugs/littering]

    Whereas tax havens of the UK can be awful to live in. If the UK wants to go with that model, it probably ends up Moggys "we are lower class waste" deregulation of everything rather than Singapores model.

  • Ok, so the actual answer is:

    No. (well maybe a bit but only because of project fear)

    Thanks I'm reassured they definitely have done their homework after all..

  • Yes, the answers are still a bit shit and there to be taken the piss out of which makes taking the piss out of the brevity bit unnecessary.

  • The ERG people have been announcing their Brexit plans today

  • From what I read, it seems like weapons grade lunacy being paraded in front of the audience?

    Also "From Project Fear to Project Prosper" - I'm assuming it doesn't have "in 50 years" blocked in the shot?

  • “the Economists for Free Trade are no longer in a fight against the EU, but against the basic concepts of language and meaning.”

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45481024

    meanwhile there keeps being chat on "deals can be done soon" but how if the UK is not budging on the backstop and other issues?

    There is still no movement on the border between ROI and UK.
    The UK doesn't want sea checks during the backstop.
    Leaving the customs union means checks
    Leaving the single market means checks.

    Maybe there is some surprise in the making but I doubt it.

  • Singapore sounds like a modern day utopia. Trust me, for a large portion of its citizens this isn’t the case.

    It does some things very well. But locals say that they can’t afford to fall ill. Lifetime debts for cancer treatment is just the tip of the iceberg. Being made to choose between a debt for life or near certain death is not a choice people should have to make.

  • Not unlike the US then.

  • Here's something that might be of interest. Unfortunately I'm doing the Ride of the Falling Leaves on the day so not sure I'll have time to attend!
    Pasting the email as I received it below:

    Friends,

    As you know I’m organising the Wooferendum March and campaign. The aim is to give many more people a voice to speak out against Brexit - with dogs doing the barking for them :)

    On Sunday 7th October, we are having a very unique march - with thousands fo dogs walking through central London, from Waterloo Place, past Trafalgar Square, down Whitehall, past Downing Street and into to Parliament Square.

    The Metropolitan Police have agreed to the close the roads for us. At Parliament Square there will be speeches from celebrity dog owners and public figures.

    This is going to be a lot of fun and I predict get some great media coverage to show that the country is barking back and won’t roll over. It's time for #WalkiesNotPorkies!

    You don’t have to have a dog to come - you can march behind the dogs to support them. And we'll have face painters to doggify or cattify or foxify you of if you would like.

    I really hope that you can make it - please let me know.

    Here’s the link to the Facebook event page - please click going: https://www.facebook.com/events/317066255698724/

    It would be fantastic if you spread the word widely and invite a big bunch of friends - we are aiming for 5,000 people coming - and several thousand dogs. Dogs themselves can upload their photos to the event discussion, with a message that they are going.

    See you soon,
    Daniel

  • Very much so. Basics are covered by Medicare but that’s about it. Work plans cover a few things but there is a tight annual cap which erodes fast if something happens.

    Social housing, infrastructure, public transportation etc. are next level good.

    The one thing that still surprises me on a daily basis is the “aunties” and “uncles” working their butts off for little money until the day they die. They call it the pioneer spirit.

  • But Singapore Slings....it's not all bad.

    Some might say, its slings and roundabouts.

    Sorry.

  • It’s literally one of the worst drinks invented. The long bar is reopening today. Might pop in on the way home if I can get past the crash barriers for F1.

  • Well I couldn't live there, extremely picky on drugs, littering. Just put it as an example that the UK probably won't go authoritarian big government on housing, though they could, and just deregulate all.

    I'm surprised they didn't sort healthcare as pension and housing are sorted.

  • Is it still socially quite conservative, with overwhelming support for government authority on the basis of them "knowing best" and keeping things nice for the people (clean, low street crime etc)? I used to have family there but always found it weirdly stifling to visit.

  • "Owen Paterson says the ERG considered all sorts of views. He says people have an old-fashioned view of borders, involving a man in a tricorn hat stopping the carriage and putting a ladle in the treacle."

    Weird that he thinks that is the public consciousness of borders. I can't even google an image of it. I can imagine Rees-Mogg in a tricorn hat though.

  • Paterson was famously outwitted by badgers moving goalposts.

  • Is it some character from Dicken's or something you're more likely to encounter at a posh school?

  • I wasn't looking hard enough, there it is. Classic border scenario, I feel stupid now...


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