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• #13327
HSJ reporting that the government is not asking the NHS to stockpile medicine.
Of course not. Big Pharma must be relishing the windfall opportunities opening up in No-Deal Brexit.
Generic’ MAs – reference products
The MHRA will not have access to the data provided in support of EU approved products. Therefore, new generic applications would need to be based on reference products that have been authorised in the UK.
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• #13328
How would this deal be better than the terms they currently have with the EU?
Surely it’s better to come to the conclusion that they were wrong and we all move along.
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• #13329
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• #13330
Reading through the 'No deal' papers, got to the bit in Banking and Insurance one, there's a line there "In the absence of EU action..." (in the section 'Individual and business customers - EEA customers (including UK citizens living abroad) of UK firms operating in the EEA'.) What action would the EU be 'expected' to take in relation to (that they should provide the same level of protect for customers of those products as the FSCS would do in the UK)?
Apologies for morning technical question.
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• #13331
Apologies for morning technical question.
I don't think you need to apologise for this. It's not like anyone knows the answer, and apparently the Tories aren't asking it, or attempting to solve it.
It's the same as the NI advice isn't it, which was to 'Ask Dublin'. Those papers published yesterday seemed apocalyptic to me - death knells to so many industries apart from 'Export Brokers', but don't seem to have been picked up as such this morning.
I listened to this just now:
https://soundcloud.com/bbcradiokent/nodealbrexit-heated-debate
It's the guy sat in the middle in the 'Three blokes in the pub' video talking with a common or garden Leaver. At around 7:30 there's an great reaction on a Japanese trade deal from the Gammon he's arguing with (where it's broken to the Brexit bloke that the EU would have an effective veto over a UK / Japanese trade deal).
Depressing how ill informed they are, and nice to hear him being called out as such (literally being asked 'have you read the trade agreement you're talking about, because I have'). Not that it'll make a difference.
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• #13332
Cheers for that.
Just read the farming one. Seems that nothing is (will be) changing legislation-wise as the U.K. would conduct the subsidy process in the same way. Until defra come up with new regs etc. Must catch the farm worker next door to the office for his view, as leaving for him meant waving goodbye to all the ‘EU’ red tape and ‘all that bollocks’. -
• #13333
where it's broken to the Brexit bloke that the EU would have an effective veto over a UK / Japanese trade deal
I think for clarity he meant the Canada deal, CETA, he tweeted about it later in the day.
https://twitter.com/JasonJHunter/status/1032651325803253760What this also highlights, any trade deal that we would try to carry out with the EU would probably have the same EU vetos within it!
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• #13334
Just read the farming one. Seems that nothing is (will be) changing legislation-wise as the U.K. would conduct the subsidy process in the same way.
I don't know the answer to this, but I wonder if they sign a new deal with someone around (for example) farming, are state subsidy levels up for grabs in that? I mean, would the terms of the deal be altered depending on the level of subsidies that farmers are provided with (as the UK farmers receiving govt subsidies places gives them at an unfair advantage over the second countries farmers).
I wonder which the Tories would be prepared to sacrifice first - the new trade deal or the EU level farm subsidies.
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• #13335
Who's got the apetite for all this stuff in govt. Did any of them really get into politics with the aim of renegotiating trade deals from scratch.
Surely some of them wanted to improve living standards, the envionment, working practices etc; you know, stuff that's probably more relevant in this century.
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• #13336
It would not be, I bet on France taking Euro clearings. As they tried before, and only full EU membership of the UK stopped it. Oh and only the UK government treasurer predicted a 2% drop in GDP but ok...it's just 2% who needs money to improve the UK anyway? :p
But you know, the people have spoken and don't take their icecream lolly or there will be a tantrum. Or something... O-o
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• #13337
Sarcasm aside, anybody that admitted they are wrong over Brexit should get a positive and friendly response. Because it is really hard for people (like anyone) to admit they were wrong.
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• #13338
i've yet to hear from a single person who will admit to this.
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• #13339
the new trade deal or the EU level farm subsidies.
What new trade deal?
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• #13340
Well, the one that they might after 5+ years of negotiation. Not sure about what happens in the meantime; I'm sure it will be fine.
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• #13341
Listen to this: https://soundcloud.com/bbcradiokent/nodealbrexit-heated-debate
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• #13342
There are some actually, on t'internets. Scientist for EU on Facebook posted a video of a woman that admitted the bus thing was a lie and she feels conned.
The work Brexiter, I don't think so. I could ask but I don't feel like it!
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• #13344
541 days without government in Stormont. Lots of ironies in that article.
For David Lynn, who's been the head of building services for 13 years, the 19-month deadlock has allowed his team to complete an entire refurbishment of the roof.
11yo Texan on a tour:
While he wasn't up to speed on the political nuances, he said it had changed his opinion that Northern Ireland only had "the Titanic and Game of Thrones".
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• #13345
the U.K. would conduct the subsidy process in the same way.
Can they do that under WTO rules?
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• #13346
GP near us has expressed remorse.
I was shocked he fell for the bus in the first place - if there's one group of people who should be used to being lied to and treated as footballs by the Torys, it's NHS employees.
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• #13347
Interesting idea that the EU would prefer no-deal as opposed to a bad deal where they compromise the core principles but makes perfect sense.
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• #13348
Put another way, why would they change their core principles, diluting them, for a member who is leaving?
If we were staying and (say) Spain was leaving, what would our press and our parliament be saying about corrupting the single market to allow Spain to benefit from it once they'd left?
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• #13349
We have nothing to threaten the EU with.
Boris tried with his "we won't buy your Audis or prosecco" but it's not true, is it?
We don't make British cars any more, we don't want to drink home brew elderberry wine and we don't want to import ridiculous V12 American penis prosthetics.
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• #13350
American penis prosthetics
Link?
"The only way to ensure friction-free trade in goods between the UK and the EU is through Labour’s proposed new comprehensive customs union. This must be accompanied by a new, strong, single market deal with the EU which establishes common institutions and guarantees access for our products and services."
Add acception freedom of movement, services and the EJC and Barnier has already said trade is sorted.