EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

So, white van man/your local gardener/etc?

Just curious who these people are. Also 100K per worker per year, hum, are we all being underpaid? ;)

Likely also includes independent solicitors or similar jobs with potentially higher pay.

Productivity isn't a very good measure to assess the importance of local business. It's obviously less 'productive' on that reductive scale because it employs (sometimes far) more people. This is a good thing. Local business bring a lot of other benefits to those who work there and to a local area that this sort of measure largely ignores.

Movement towards a second referendum...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianbirrell/status/1029434089621868544

May and govt will have to campaign for Chequers I assume, which has already been discounted. I'm not clear if 'status quo' is to remain in EU or in article 50 extension limbo

What's interesting is seeing the differences between France and the UK in efficiency. Then looking at the difference between them in un/employment levels.

Also worth checking out the US studies on the "Walmart effect" - arguably a very efficient business model.

second referendum...

If it went ahead I can't help but think a single market style deal is the only outcome. If the vote was to remain, then brexiters would rightly ask for a best of 3.

Given the total lack of parameters in the 1st ref it would make structuring any sensible ones for a 2nd very hard.

yer but if we had a second referendum we'd have to have a third one to make it fair because I'm incapable of understanding how polls work.

i thought this was all about people being pissed off because poles work

grabs coat and runs for exit

If it went ahead I can't help but think a single market style deal is the only outcome. If the vote was to remain, then brexiters would rightly ask for a best of 3.

Given the total lack of parameters in the 1st ref it would make structuring any sensible ones for a 2nd very hard.

It needs a 2nd referendum to be sold not as a rematch, but as a new vote on the options that the government has managed to negotiate. These are likely to be shit but if people still want them they can vote for them.
But I think the major stumbling block to getting a 2nd ref would be getting agreement on the mechanic. As has been shown, exactly the same votes on a 3-way question could give 3 different results dependent on the mechanic. (No-deal / deal / remain)

https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1029797909146087430

From a PR pov it seems such an easy thing to sabotage.

"enemies of the people" etc.

How could you ever have a sensible outcome for the phrasing of the question?

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Wasn't it other East Europeans and not just those Poles?

PS Do I get a prize for mention 'the war' and how handy the Poles were, especially in spitfires.

Was listening to the radio the other day, and there was a piece about a Woman that went to benidorm? and complaint to the tour operator that the entertainment was too spanish?

Yep sorry for the Sun link https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/7008546/brit-gran-not-first-complain-spanish-tourists-in-benidorm/

Which of these can May get through Parliament?

1. Hard border in Ireland
   
2. Hard border in Irish Sea
   
3. EU membership apart from any say at all- full payments, four freedoms, no council membership
   
4. A second referendum
   
5. A leadership contest and/or general election.
   
   

With that last one leading to Boris vs Hammond, Leave vs Remain.

She only has the votes for 4 (with labour rebels) or 5.

Word on the street is that various UK diplomats are discussing the increasing likelihood of a second referendum and also an extension to article 50 to buy time to run the vote with their corresponding ambassadors.

If the EU wanted to take their trolling to an epic level then they could send back the article 50 notice on the basis that the Electoral Commission has found that the referendum was not conducted in accordance with the UK's constitutional requirements.

Watch the gammons explode...

I may have missed this before, but what is your ideal Brexit outcome?

The resurrection of Margaret Thatcher, penis and all, a return of capital punishment and fox hunting, and privileged status for marketing types.

Our elderly, infirm and sometimes batshit-crazy neighbour just compared Brexit to the Reformation as the last example of this country throwing off the yolk of a European oppressor. I actually have a grudging respect for this level of lunacy.

eggsactly.

They read that in the telegraph.

My in laws have just come back from Jersey, it was clean, safe, verdant, no visible poverty, the people were polite and things just seemed to work. As they were describing it, I just thought, this is what Brexit means to some folk.

"Jersey is particularly dependant on cars, with 166,000 vehicle journeys being made on the island everyday, Jersey also has the highest car ownership per head of the population in the world, with car ownership rising by 14% between 1996 and 2001, according to the last Census."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/content/articles/2005/10/07/election05_issues_transport_feature.shtml

That was in 2005, I suspect it's a lot worse now. Sounds idyllic...

Probably why Jersey's little neighbor, Sark, does not allow cars.