EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Whoa, cool post :)

@freddo I feel like you're finally talking sense on here, earlier I must admit it felt a bit condescending and antagonistic...

I am generally condescending and antagonistic. Thanks for noticing! :p

...the way you came across was the same as the people you were/are arguing/discussing with. ie, you view some on here as very blinkered and unwilling to discuss the "real" motivation for voting brexit by leavers but at the same time your view of those people is the same! However I will concede that now you're actually opening up, you are practicing what you preach.

I'm not sure. I was motivated to respond to several pages of "all brexit voters are racist tory gammon cunts". My point throughout is that most Brexit voters, particularly the "type 4 group" are not really racist at all, and Remainers who won't debate are just as much a part of the problem.

That out of the way, I 100% agree with you about the lower class leavers voting that way as a result of the effects of un-checked globalisation...lack of funding in general but specifically youth services and education
yep

I know I keep saying this but this is about what we do next, not how we undo the causes. That chance was missed.

And (contentious post alert): most people are more-or-less rational agents. Irrationality comes in to play in extreme situations, such as when we feel we are threatened. A <2% majority in the referendum has left Leavers feeling weak and vulnerable. For Remainers, who for obvious reasons feel threatened by Leavers' actions (ie. voting for brexit, jingoism, murder etc), the temptation is to also react irrationally (hence "racist tory gammon cunts"). If half of the country is attacking the other half, we will never get to a sensible resolution of the country's problems. IMO many Leavers and Remainers actually feel the same about austerity, lack of education, skills, etc. If we can propose a way to fix that first and on a nonpartisan basis, Brexit can be cancelled. If we keep calling these people thick racist Tory cunts we're all fucked.