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This is quite an interesting thread that is (partially) related to some of your comments
https://twitter.com/DeborahMeaden/status/1025480585572233218
(The bits by QuantumChoices)
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that's an amazing thread. And it is even worse than I knew :(
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I came here to post this. It's the most succinct, incisive analysis I've seen of what's gone wrong. Here it is unrolled... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1025630498431926272.html
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Those comments interestingly mirror Nick Hannauer's take on middle-out economics and the increasing need for it. Essentially he says that capitalism is a good system because it incentivises people to solves others' problems (and we should measure this in terms of actual life changes, not income), but capitalist systems inherently tend towards inequality (because money makes money). This presents a potentially catastrophic eventuality whereby capitalism destroys itself because the wealth, and hence spending power, ends up concentrated in the hands of too few people to sustain a capitalist system.
He says that unless we act to properly reimburse workers, through an effective living wage and similar regulations, in order to create a comfortably-off middle class who have enough money to be both consumers and innovators, then we will end up with a system of rentier capitalism and ultimately neo-feudalism and a police state and/or violent revolution.
JWestland
Malaconotus
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@freddo I feel like you're finally talking sense on here, earlier I must admit it felt a bit condescending and antagonistic, not to be rude to you, but I think my feelings are backed up by your post about your qualifications. I accept that your education provides you a potential greater insight, but honestly the way you came across was the same as the people you were/are arguing/discussing with. ie, you view some on here as very blinkered and unwilling to discuss the "real" motivation for voting brexit by leavers, but at the same time your view of those people is the same! However I will concede that now you're actually opening up, you are practicing what you preach.
That out of the way, I 100% agree with you about the lower class leavers voting that way as a result of the effects of un-checked globalisation. It is my opinion that the majority of leavers are not racist, but they do fear immigrants because that's what they've been told is the reason for their predicament! Since the shrinking and basic collapse of the working class industries, we have been fed the lies that the reason there are no jobs is because of the immigrants, however these are just lies. There are just layers upon layers upon layers of cause and effect, which have all just added together to create this environment. This has been rammed down the throats of the public, incessantly by right wing popular media and publications, until we are now in a situation where it is believed even in the face of evidence to the contrary.
In my personal opinion, one of the biggest factors, not just here, but worldwide, are the complete complicity by successive governments in prioritising private company revenue and profits over people. The whole concept of reducing costs, outsourcing, zero hour contracts, etc etc, at the same time as shoving consumerism down people's throats has forced the value to be put on getting everything done as cheaply as possible, and fuck the consequences. At the same time, the knock on effects on our workforce have not been considered, businesses work outside the confines of borders, but they effect populations. You should not be able to close a factory and open another somewhere elsewhere without acknowledging that your actions are causing an effect. Either elected officials of countries affected should be limiting the exposure through sanctions or restrictions in these practices, or they should be coming up with strategies to mitigate the effects. Decades of this have, in my opinion, left us in this state.
On top of that, in more recent years, PFI, the slow privatisation of our services, the incredible fees charged by the big 4 consultancies, have, in this country caused a complete degradation of our public services. There is a fuck tonne of cash being wasted, there's so much money being spent, but not reaching the right people.
Add to that things like:
So how does you change leavers' views on brexit? I think we're beyond that, but a good start would be firstly stopping austerity, and explaining why spending is not a bad thing, it's a good thing, resuming spending on needed services but at the same time starting the incredibly long process of un-doing privatisation. Next, open discussions on how you're going to provide jobs outside London that aren't zero hour contracts, and are suitable for the available workforce.
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You can't expect people to just re-train, you have to support them, brandishing people as lazy or un-willing just because you moved across the world for work, in the face of whatever, or how ever many challenges, doesn't mean "anyone can do it".
However, I believe we're in a situation that even if every single elected official and every single newspaper and news source told the exact situation, how the country has been fucked, and all the lies they've pushed and supported, some would still choose to not believe and look to the fringes for people who stick to the false narrative that's been built over the years. It'd be a good start though.