• I used to take them off for the bin daily, older elixirs were the worst. But the "new improved" guide rs etc were still shockingly bad.

  • Yeah, I get that the Avid stuff just didn't really work, or at least, there were so many that didn't work they developed a reputation for being unlikely to work.

    But the "new improved" guide rs etc were still shockingly bad.

    Yeahbut, I have a pair that have been A+. Shockingly bad? What are you actually experiencing with them? Did you ride them? As far as I know, there's no recall on them. Google around and you get sticky pistons, but google for Shimano problems and you get a whole slew of problems, too.

    Par for the course with the high volume sellers.

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