EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

My bet is on no deal, catastrophic exit, or no Brexit at all.

I think I agree with you. And I am horridly worried that the former is at least twice as likely as the latter.

BBC Radio 4 presenter has had to be pulled up by a guest for asking if 'the allegations' about Vote Leave are true ; "they are findings which is why there are fines".

Yes, I heard that, and thought it was an odd thing to say. Even after she had been corrected, she still seemed slightly dismissive. And why did they have some commentary from Kate Hoey, who hadn't even read the report? That said, at least they led the news with that story.

They need a WhatsApp group... Like the ERG/Brexiteers.

But, unfortunately, you can imagine that the Labout leadership would have no interest in co-operating with anyone else outside of their closed group (whether Lib Dems, or even their fellow MPs). Sadly, they're just interested in power within the party, rather than power for the party.

It’s conceivable that only by having too such polarised options do we have a chance at remain- full scorched earth as the only leave option.

The BBC have enabled this with their continued softly softly approach- such as treating the cheating reality as an allegation - so in a funny way we might have them to thank.

Let's see how this goes today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/may-faces-brexit-defeat-as-labour-backs-customs-union-amendment

The homer simpson approach: If you don't do anything, you can't be blamed for doing it wrong ;)

Government lose a vote on leaving the European Medicines Agency. More defeats to come I think.

Except a handful of Labour MPs save their bacon.

For the love of fuck, what is wrong with these morons?!

Kate Hoey will almost certainly be one of them, I hope the voters of Vauxhall get rid of her next time round. She’s a fucking disgrace to her party but especially to her constituents.

Frank Field can fucking do one too - he’s showing how much he cares about the working classes right now.

Yeah Frank Field is a right smug prick

Well, they've won the vote on the customs union amendment, which was said to be the significant one.

list of new potential expressions - you saw them here first

• BRomnishambles
  
• emergency brExit
  
• Brexit 2.0
  
  

Rumours are that a vote of no confidence would have been coming if they'd lost that vote. Those 4 labour MPs may have just cost their party a general election shot.

Any word on whether JC is relived or disappointed?

quite a few abstainers; how is this any different/worse than voting for/against. I see why Field/Hoey would get some flack, but why not MP Debbie Abrahams from Oldham East and Saddleworth? (for example)

taken from guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/jul/17/did-your-mp-back-the-customs-union-amendment-new-clause-18

Interesting observation on the pairing agreement:

https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1019306638187094017

This all looks like a battle to the death...

(The Whips' activites - including pairing negotiations for an MP who is on his sickbed - are portrayed brilliantly in the play This House, and if that ever returns to the stage, I would recommend seeing it)

This is what I got from a swift review of abstain:

Debbie Abrahams Lab
Mr Ronnie Campbell Lab
Sir David Crausby Lab
John Cryer Lab
Anneliese Dodds Lab
Colleen Fletcher Lab
Paul Flynn Lab
Sir Lindsay Hoyle Lab
Ian C. Lucas Lab
Steve McCabe Lab
Laura Pidcock Lab
Joan Ryan Lab
Cat Smith Lab
Derek Twigg Lab
Dame Rosie Winterton Lab
Damian Collins Con
Philip Davies Con
Vicky Ford Con
George Freeman Con
James Gray Con
Dame Eleanor Laing Con
Andrea Leadsom Con
Dr Andrew Murrison Con
Tom Tugendhat Con
Mr Edward Vaizey Con
Hannah Bardell SNP
Martin Docherty-Hughes SNP
Órfhlaith Begley SF
Mickey Brady SF
Michelle Gildernew SF
Chris Hazzard SF
Elisha McCallion SF
Paul Maskey SF
Francie Molloy SF
John Bercow A
Jo Swinson LD
Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson DUP
Jared O'Mara Ind

Seems to be 15 labour but only 10 conservative. No idea why

Wouldn't this include pairings if some people couldn't attend (aware there was also some upset about this being done / not done)

I assume it would but I don't know why there's the disparity between the parties. You'd expect it to net off if it was due to pairings.

Yeah agreed - not saying that explains it all. Just worth noting before blaming each of the abstainers...

You didn't explain yourself last time, so I doubt there's much chance of you doing it this time, comrade.

Also, trying to force "moan" into descriptions does make you come across as a massive cunt, FYI.