EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

They need to work on their power poses.

She is a fucking horror show of an MP, hopefully her constituents will abandon her at the next election.

Good article. Although this gave me pause:

There have been three huge stories the BBC has covered with only the most perfunctory reports: the Facebook/Cambridge Analytica data leak, the Brexit campaign funding scandal, and the exposure of Russian interference in British politics.

Is that true?

It seemed like the FB / CA scandal was on R4 for weeks.

Read (scanned) the White Paper this afternoon. To paraphrase Chamberlain, this is a piece of paper that 'pissed away our time'.

I tried to diplomatically query what Brexit voted for looks like. Is it like Turkey, Switzerland, Norway?

And how would we know.

The most reasonable argument you can make is it was a very close vote, therefore you need something soft to reflect that.

As other said, good article, thanks for posting

I'm a big fan of the BBC but pretty much fallen out of love with it recently. It's hamstrung by having to show (and be seen to show) that it's unbiased.

BBC4 seems to have the good stuff, I suppose everyone can access that these days.

R4 LOL

What's wrong with Radio 4?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396794-trump-theresa-mays-soft-brexit-plan-would-kill-any-future-us-uk-trade

Trump stabs May in the front and back as soon as he gets here, trying to sabotage her Brexit strategy

Centrist dadgammon detected? Is that a thing now?

To the alias thread!

It's worth noting that Labour are not in power and that whatever Brexit is delivered is 100% on the Conservatives.

I love the end of this NYT piece

The Sun’s article was published just as a lavish black-tie dinner that Mrs. May was hosting for Mr. Trump and the first lady, Melania Trump, at Blenheim Palace was breaking up, and guests in formal gowns and tuxedos were leaving the estate.

Chris Ruddy, the chairman of Newsmax and a confidant of Mr. Trump who attended the dinner, said there was no hint of tension between the president and Mrs. May during the event itself, which he called “a love fest between Britain and the United States.”

“The president has always been for Brexit full speed, but I’d really like to see the full interview in context,” Mr. Ruddy said, suggesting that Mr. Trump’s comments may not have been as direct a broadside against Mrs. May as they were portrayed to be in The Sun.

The Sun posted audio recordings of large portions of the interview.

Mr. Ruddy said he learned of the interview as he was driving away from Blenheim, and British friends began texting him expressing shock and surprise about what Mr. Trump had said.

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LOL, it's becoming clear that the "remoaners" & moanmentum/Labour are unintentionally going to give the country a no-deal brexit. Congratulations!

Also: fire alarms cause fires. Sorry, couldn't get moaning in there.

So people that didn't vote for Brexit are to blame, some logic quite there!

I'm not impressed with Labour they are useless in opposition by not opposing Brexit and Corbyn still seems Brexity. BUT they have a minority.

A staying in the single market amendment would maybe convince Tory rebels.

But Labour better cut out the cherry picking then.

...wut?

SRS ?: Stockpiling food.
Yea?
Nay?

Possibly, I’d wait a bit yet though.

Better start planning which cupboard to use.

Have I heard right? We're looking at bringing generators back into the country in case we exit with no deal? Where will we buy the fuel to run these?

We won't use fuel. Everybody will get on stationary bikes and generate energy. It'll give the workshy layabouts something to do instead of moaning.

What food will these people eat Oliver?

Brexiters have higher watt/kg FACT

Chips. Good British carbs.

Burn brexiters for electricity? That's escalated pretty quickly...

I'm not impressed with Labour they are useless in opposition by not opposing Brexit and Corbyn still seems Brexity. BUT they have a minority.

Well, yes. Once again, it would have been electoral suicide for Labour to say they were opposed to 'Brexit'--there had been a referendum in which a small majority voted for 'Brexit'.

Leaving aside the unclear status of that referendum, by saying they were opposed to 'Brexit', Labour, as supposedly one of the two parties of government, would have said they don't accept the outcome of the referendum. That would have gone down very badly. Even while saying that the party accepted the referendum result, Corbyn still several times said that he was in favour of 'remain and reform'.

As I've said several times before, I think all of this makes sense and has helped Labour keep the emotional temperature low, when 'Brexit' is not their problem despite a sizeable minority of Labour supporters being in favour. Their current position is also for a fairly soft 'Brexit', which given the small majority for it, is probably the best reflection of the referendum result.

The one thing you acknowledge is that their parliamentary minority means they couldn't have won (m)any votes, anyway. Needless to say, it's an unacceptable state of affairs in Parliament and there need to be new elections, but I think those won't happen until boundary changes and voter ID have come in and the Tories can be sure of victory.