Rapha, nice but a bit pricey?

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/14303060/

Maths is the answer

Rapha trying to keep you on your toes

I have older and newer medium randonee shorts, newer are defo bigger, but I have a belt.

Sportful hotpack ultralight, 50g, smaller than a tennis ball when compressed.

I did order a bright orange hotpack in the end. The ultralight seems to come in see through silver-ish only, and the extra 20g don't worry me all that much.
Also, I am quite happy with all my other sportful stuff, so happy to just give it a try at about AUD100 less than the rapha brevet jacket.

Nice, but I bet its a bit pricey

https://www.dezeen.com/2018/07/03/rapha-simon-mottram-richard-parr-architects-edwardian-house-renovation/

@Chopsicle Size guides should be correct now.

Didn’t realise the regular one was only 20g more! Ive got the ultralight but it’s a medium and I need a small really. I’ve always been very impressed with sportful in general, so I might have to look for a regular one in small.

Just Castelli of course...

Well not quite, they're sister companies, which is quite different to being the same product with a different name on it.

In the same way that a Skoda isn't a VW...

Well, 58g vs 86g, so 28g diff.

Really, so this isn't a Rapha jersey?

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Thanks for clarifying that for me.

Errr, you’ve lost me..

Members of the Walmart family are also investors in Rapha.

was being facetious too

Ahh gotcha, had no idea re: Walmart/Rapha!

Got that was facetious ;) just had no idea why!

Interesting new rapha erm shimano jersey...

Oooooh hello cease and desist.

Didnt torm come across the same problen.

There is too little original in the Rapha designs to try to go up against someone as big as Shimano. Sick fades are hardly copyrightable, likewise one could claim prior art on the arm band (Hugo Boss's 1939 collection...)

https://www.newmediarights.org/business_models/artist/can_you_copyright_clothing_designs

Torm were/are small enough to be intimidated by Raphas lawyers.

I think from what i read they went to the mill and cut off their supply .

Torm literally ordered a Classic Jersey size set and replicated it, feature for feature, stitch for stitch, including the IP registered details, just another armband. The jerseys were returned after a few weeks for full refund.

IP laws are there to protect everyone, from multinationals to sole traders; it works both ways to protect the investment into a developing and establishing a product/concept/brand/innovation. If anyone can make a decent argument supporting this naive/stupid/lazy/brazen approach, please, I'd love to hear it

And I agree, the fade is different from the solid colour-blocked armband. However, as a brand mark becomes more established, it becomes easier to argue an infringement. ie Cadbury now protect the shade of purple used on wrappers, but I probably wouldn't be able to setup a chocolate bar company from my kitchen and register say, a blue foil wrapper, until the colour became ubiquitous with my brand.

The pic was from an article on http://www.cyclingweekly.com about their 2019 range, so maybe it’s something they’ll rethink.

I struggle to understand what they were thinking with the armband though.