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If I may make some foot notes:
Towns dont become 50% eastern European if the English born have not moved out. Something is already wrong I'd say?
Bloody furruns like me are educated by our birth country and pay nhs cash as well. So I never got that bit, how do I cost more?
Re integration it's a bit hard when people are cuntish and don't accept you, I guess it works both ways.
Not saying it's not complex, Dutch arriving in droves may drive you insane with our bluntness and godless laws (yay!) so I see there's always opportunities for friction.
But integration with what? In a way host countries (so is the Netherlands) always say A and do B :)
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So you're Dutch, for some reason I got the impression from earlier discussions that you were Irish. Must have not been paying attention.
Having just returned from a week in Amsterdam may I say your compatriots are a cheerful and welcoming bunch, despite the permanent moronic shitbag of tourists in the center of town who wander mindlessly across bike lanes and into the paths of trams trying to take selfies with the Nightwatch. -
how do I cost more?
It's not necessarily about costing more comparatively to native, but that an additional person inevitably uses more public resources - there is then a counter that generally (net) they'll generate more, but it's still a cost.
The integration point always really bugs me tho. Firstly, I don't know where this rose tinted memory of commonwealth citizens being warmly welcomed has come from. Paki-bashing didn't sound all that cuddly to me. Second, it takes at least 2 generations on average for people to integrate. Until the relatively recent exodus of young French to the East End, they always went to West London to band together in their enclaves, home counties folk move to Putney, people from Norfolk stay put and interbreed- humans tend to move to places with people they can relate to... it's just what we do. Moreover, I've yet to meet a second generation Irish person who still doesn't self-identity as Irish. Why the fuck to people think that everyone else is suddenly going to "integrate" overnight.
William.
hugo7
A response to "what about this Windrush thing then" on a different forum, which is a classic of the genre:
"In answer to the OP, in relation to the windrush and early immigration from the commonwealth, I have no problem with that.
However, I do worry, like Enoch Powell at the sheer numbers of immigrants into the country since and the effect it has had in turning our country into something else entirely.
I have always thought that immigration works and is acceptable among the host population if the numbers are controlled and we allow people to integrate properly into the country & culture and settle among our communities in numbers that do not alienate the locals etc. ( I am thinking of towns in east anglia which have suddenly become 50% east european for example....with the inevitable backlash) In rough terms, I would say that around 10 - 15% of the population works......
However, there is a tipping point above which, it produces negative reaction, is not good for country and heaps intolerable burdens on our already overstretched services and systems. And I happen to think that we are well past that point now. Perhaps he was right after all, we simply cannot keep our doors open indefinitely.......I also happen to think that too many actually encourages racism and xenophobia, as people become frightened and see their country and way of life changing.
Does this make me a nazi in anyones eyes? I do hope not...."