Football

It’s not like there is/was a thriving football scene in Leipzig.
The Wolfsburg and Bayer Leverkusen situation is equally as dodgy.

MK Dons can do one. Ruining Wimbledon the way they did makes it all the sweeter when they go down next month whilst AFC Wimbledon stay up and will be playing in the division above them.

Wolfsburg and Leverkusen are very long-standing exceptions to a rule that was universally accepted to be a good thing. Letting another team get around it shows things are going in the wrong direction.

There was a great footballing tradition in Leipzig, with Lokomotive Leipzig having reached the semi finals of the UEFA Cup (losing to Spurs having beaten Ipswich), and the final of the Cup Winners Cup, and their rivalry with Chemie Leipzig.

Both were in the top East German division but then got shafted after reunification, and both ended up going bust.

It's a typical story for teams in former East Germany, and it's especially bitter for the clubs that have managed to survive, and maintain a real fan culture - Energie Cottbus, Union Berlin, Hansa Rostock, Dynamo Dresden - that the only team from the East that has achieved some measure of success in the last few years is a soulless corporate entity.

Let’s agree to disagree on that one. Leipzig is and was a football backwater riddled with washed up clubs.

As for Hansa Rostock and Dynamo Dresden having a fab culture worries me. They’re arguably the single most racist fans that have ever set foot on a football terrace. I’ve been there both in the mid 90s and still wish to this day that I hadn’t.

ha, that is amazing . And I might be wrong. But surely that is our boy pisti

I think Lok Leipzig and Hallescher FC fans might try and vie for that title...

Anyway, I like Leipzig as a city and it has a really good football culture that's buried a few leagues down.

I guess the main issue with RB is that in many ways, Germany gets a lot right in terms of football culture, but they are an annoyingly successful example of commercialised, corporatised football which is where modern football is going. But if you like the plastic flags on seats thing more than cheap beer and terraces I guess it's not a problem.

Personally I prefer not to get my head kicked in by the Hitlerjugend.

I’m not here to defend RBL, but the comparison to MKD is a bit lazy if you ask me.

I’m all for cheap beer and good football and arguably the bundesliga is as good as it gets in Europe.

Harry Kane is a bit of a petulant prick isn’t he?

£10k is a perfectly normal amount to pay to buy a goal off your team mate

Scary isn't it. Trying to work out how old he must have been then. About 30, I would imagine.

Can see where the Boy George similarities come from now.

Clearly having it at the paradise garage.

I thought it was a Photoshop mashup of Steve McManaman and Mick Hucknal

Where on earth did you find it?

It's fucking terrifying, a grotesque long haired yentzing machine...

I had lunch with him yesterday, the years have been very unkind...

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Marseille v Red Bull Salzburg
Arsenal v Atletico Madrid

Roma v Real
Liverpool v Bayern

yay our graham...nice champion sweat. usa made no doubt 👍😁

looking a bit ruff around the edges ... as does the sweatshirt

Told you. Except they are still warming the balls. UEFA make the FA look agile.

I hate to say it but really think liverpool can win it.....

Let’s hope you have a touch of the @mikec about you when it comes to predictions.

Whys Ranieri doing the draw?

bayern

real