Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

Yeah so that Ravn is basically spot on. Better start saving.

lol no. For the same money ($3000) get an Arkose and a 120mm full sus MTB.

I have seen people use 26" wheels on the Soma Wolverine

Well, I rode 650b with 2.1 on my Wolverine during Gravelaide yesterday, and I had a couple of moments where the cranks scraped the rocks below. So not a suggested combo.

Yeah I know, my budget is much more the Arkose/Boardman/Vitus range.

@spotter what bags are on that Canyon on page 127?

https://www.topeak.com/global/en/products/bikepacking

now with 650b's

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That is lovely. Do Moots use their own forks?

thanks. I think they do now but this is a couple of years old so came with Enve fork

According to this - http://www.bikecalc.com/wheel_size_math - these look like reasonable options for matching 700c wheel sizes

Of course tyre pressure is a significant factor and you can't necessarily assume that you can just add the tyre "size" to the rim diameter to find the wheel diameter.

If you're hitting the cranks on 650b x 2.1" it seems like the same thing would have happened on any 700c tyre up to say 35mm or so. But I wasn't there so I don't know. Maybe shorter cranks are the solution? Or even bigger tyres?

So @5awyr if you find a frame that takes both 622 x 25mm and 559 x 2.25" or a frame that takes both 622 x 45mm and 559 x 3.0" you might be alright (caveat: can a normal MTB rim take a 3" 26"+ tyre? I don't know). Maybe have a look at BB heights on the geometry charts for a few bikes (e.g. Soma Wolverine, Surly Straggler, Genesis Vagabond, Salsa Fargo/Marrakesh/Vaya etc.) and see if any of them look about right. I think you'd have to go for some sort of monstour bike and just be content with being slow on road rides.

How are you finding the resolutes so far?

Three inch clearance?! It would pretty much have to have a raised or dropped seatstay no?

That limits your market considerably. For the sake of buying cheap, great rims from Planet X and rebuilding.

The second set of values is more reasonable, 26" x 2.25" ~= 700c x 25mm

But I think there's some Surlys that clear a 3" tyre but they're more on the MTB end of the spectrum than the road/gravé end

Could be that it's only because I only ride those wheels over ruts, trails and stuff, and thus only on those wheels ever clip something. Or because the Wolverine is meant to be a 29er monster bike rly. I do ride 172.5 cranks on it though.
In any case, I would not lower it even more by sticking some 26" wheels on, is all I'm saying.

Fairly sure it's said somewhere on the Soma site that the Wolverine isn't intended to be run with 650b wheels (not that you can't of course). The BB isn't super high and the geo is based around running large volume 700c/29er tyres already. You'd need very large 650b tyres to match that and keep the BB height up and I'm not sure it has the clearance to fit what would be needed.

They seemed pretty good but going to have to try something else because the moots doesn't have enough room at the rear chain stays - slight rub marks.

That's interesting. I think I'm probably going to park the idea of using the 26ers for now and get a working bike sorted, if I can then get it to work it's a happy accident!

[EDIT] Wrong Thread. Slaps forehead

Bantam AllRoad frameset

https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/allroad-bicycle-36178

Dibs if you sell them

Second dibs! Shame they don’t fit - is that the 650b version or the 700c? If the latter, that’s might be a solution?

they are 650b so will have to go back to GravelKings, shame as I really like my other WTB tyres (BYways/Horizons)

might do but would like £30 each for them though otherwise I'll keep them for another bike

I'd definitely take you up on that at £30 each if @TomvanHalen doesn't want them. Shame they don't fit - sounds like it might have been a tread issue rather than a raw size issue? (e.g. Byways/Horizons are slick)