Weight / Fat loss

Go with the lower figure, if my body is anything to go by Z1/2 uses very little energy

That Doctor show I mentioned up thread did a comparison with apps in a recent episode and found the same software on different devices measured quite different heart rates. Basically I wouldn't bother with any phone HR software or anything like fitbit, etc for accurate HR. Use a Polar HRM or Garmin or something similar. I've got a Polar I've not used for years you could borrow and compare with what your phone reads.

03/01 96.9 morning (it was 96.9 but I had a coffee and a shit and weighed again)
04/01 94.2 night (post-ride, pre-dinner)
05/01 94.5 why you getting heavier shitbrains?
08/01 93.8 morning (post coffee, post toilet destroying shit)
09/01 93.6 But I may have eaten a packet of Tim Tams to "get rid of them" and a cherry ripe... or two.
10/01 93.8
11/01 93.7 Doh. I'm going to put this down to eating a lot yesterday as I did two days gym back to back.
12/01 94.2
14/01 95.8
16/01 95.3 you said it was just 100g... pfft. It was a fun weekend but knocked my recent healty routine.
17/01 94.8 steak, salad, margarita and a cherry ripe for dinner, gym (fucking crushed it)
18/01 93.9
19/01 93.7 after colleague's leaving do, out on the piss
20/01 93.9 comedy gig tonight so more booze and associated bad food choices
23/01 92.8 1.1 off yesterday, almost certainly dehydration and nothing meaningful. fuck you, body
24/01 93.2 gym, no commute
25/01 94.4 gym, commute, work lunch could get interesting, BF% down 1% possible anom
29/01 93.6 100mi yesterday, still bit dehydrated, recovery focus on kebab and ice cream not fluid
30/01 93.4
31/01 93.2 down ~2%bf
01/02 92.3 into the 92s after two nights on turbo, no gym, will disappear with boozin next days
02/02 92.1 grump, thrown bag punched door before I'd even left flat. creates anger manglement thread
04/02 93.8 meh
05/02 93.5 meh
06/02 92.2 ooh
07/02 91.7 yay #dehydratedmuch
08/02 91.3 I'm comin' for ya 90.x's
09/02 91.7 okay... maybe not...
3 day meltdown
12/02 92.9 after a ~500g shit
13/02 93.6 after going to but not partaking of an all you can eat ribs offer
14/02 92.2 after salad and pancakes, skipped turbo workout
15/02 91.7 eerily familiar territory.. post hard turbo session last night, dehydration likely
16/02 91.5 let's see how much of this disappears after tonight on the piss
17/02 89.x Drinking til puking did get me under 90kg but hasn't been great maintaining the training
19/02 92.3 I always expect to be lighter after a long ride but never am.
20/02 92.1 Up and down and up and down and up and down
21/02 90.8 Failed intervals, legs empty still, used extra 500cal in doing so though, glycogen shed

First 90kg measurement without being hungover/dehydrated to shit.

Yeah, I wasn't expecting much, I just didn't think it'd be that far out! It's gone back to my friend.

Thanks for the offer, but I gave up caring about heart rate data and that ages ago :p I just check my pulse every so often to see if my RHR is still around <50

Oddly you have agreed with me on three occasions!

I have a Polar HRM - I will try to compare it with the Apple Watch data next week. I have read that the Apple Watch is the most accurate HRM but the test may have been with watches and not chest HRMs.

You must've been right three times :)

Apple's(?) claim is bullshit. No finger, wrist, palm, etc HRMs are as good as chest strap Polars.

I use my fitness pal. I track the distance of cycling (of course going hard/intervals makes you fitter, where going moderate does not) but this makes no difference to the total calories used*

It's probably off a bit, but the data only has to be accurate for me.
I gain weight? I am overestimating exercise/underestimating food/ or I am bulking.
I don't lose and feel winded all the time? Undereating.
I lose and am OK? Getting it right.

KISS. Now if you are training mega hard for a competition, by all means, do get it more accurate as you can't afford to be off by much, but I think for my goals a heart rate meter etc. is pure overkill.

BTW I don't track lifting weights calories, I simply set my energy use a little higher for the week. Again, it's a guesstimate. But I do consistently go twice a week, nearly all the time.

*ignoring afterburn / being a total newbie to an activity where your body ends up doing more muscle repair work.

Yeah, MFP values aren't so accurate, I overwrite them with power kcal info for my longer rides or turbo. For me a normal commute is say 300-350 (I just use 600 per day for my commute) but might be 400-450 if I go mental so you might be 10% out even on a known distance.

https://www.quora.com/Which-one-burns-more-calories-cycling-longer-or-cycling-faster

You're not confusing kJ with kcal are you?

2,311kJ
Total Work
Calories 2,577

Google says 2311 kilojoules =552.342 kilocalories

If I was doing back to back efforts I'd have a bigger breakfast, eat more on the ride and probably eat up to replace what I use. Not a fan of anything processed especially recovery type products.

You may have misunderstood my post. I think Apple is the best HRM watch in independent tests. They didn’t compare it with chest HRMs.

Powermeter kj is essentially the same as kcal due to the 25% efficiency human body thing vs. kj to cal conversion.

It depends what you're trying to do and how long you're riding for. I can't physically carry enough food for some of the training ride calories I use, nor can I hope to eat back the calories I've used afterwards. Liquid calories make getting close a lot easier though. I'm more interested in performance than diet rules. If eating deep-fried, honey-coated, chocolate-filled KFC made me faster, i'd be doing it.

Do you consider milk as a processed food? You don't need 'recovery products' or 'energy products' to get liquid calories.

I don't think I misunderstood. You said "may" have been with watches...

"I have read that the Apple Watch is the most accurate HRM but the test may have been with watches and not chest HRMs"

I'm telling you that it's not the most accurate HRM and that no watch is as accurate as a good chest HRM.

Obv. hard effort means eat carbs. Though females (Moi) seem to use more fat during exercise.

I'm going uphill now going home, trying to stay in a higher gear for as long as I can. The lactase clearing should improve now that I practice uphill cycling.

Obviously impossible to train for in the Netherlands :p I will bring carb fuel once I go practice my mountain biking, cavehill in belfast is steep!

For my 280 exercise use,if it's 280 or 330 or 250 meh. But that stuff matters once you cycle a lot more! :)

I don't care about it other than it giving me an extra 600 cal I can eat on office days. If I have a particularly grim training ride I might add up my cals or more normally my CHO intake per hour and work out if I'm eating enough. Back in the 24hr days it was all planned but now I have to do it ad hoc with garage stops etc.

Again. I agree!

Jamie Haskell (6'4'', 118kg and runs around a fuckload) claims he finds it hard to consume the 3,750 calories to maintain his bulk.

I met him on a photoshoot, he is fucking enormous.

An interesting aside to size is that CHO absorption doesn't increase as the individual's size does. So that lump might not be able to process as many carbs as I do and my missus might have the ability to process more than I do. It's size independent. #csb

Always go with the lower figure. Come running.

Im also apparently eating close to 5000 calories, so i should probably eat a bit less.
Tempting to try a powermeter, maybe one day I'll put my track power tap on the cargo for lol.