• Sure, that's obviously the dream. Seems like you're struggling a bit to find something with a low enough stack though. Was just wondering why you discounted that option. Personally don't think I'd notice the difference in handling between a high-stack frame with a -17 and a low-stack frame with a -7 but you certainly ride a lot more than me

  • It's not necessarily the handling, but if you're having to drop stuff below the front end of the bike you can run into other issues - especially with all the shit hanging off my bars (aerobars, lights, USB charging, etc). It also makes for a more aero setup. It just makes more sense to me to get the frame right so I don't need any problem solver stem arrangements. My warranty frame is already in that boat being >30mm too high. It's going to be flogged to death as a winter trainer though so I'm not too fussed.

  • that is exactly what i do with that frame.

    @hippy i don't think it really makes it much more aero. with that hta a -17 stem looks almost flat. fwiw i haven't had any problems dangling all manner of fred shit off of mine. an added benefit (actually) is that you can have more tire clearance for hanging a big handlebar bag off the front.

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