EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Maybe TM should front up some cash and ask them what's happening.

The EU have published their directives for the transition deal

EU General Affairs Council adopts guidelines for #Brexit negotiations within 2 min: status quo transition without institutional representation, lasting from #Brexit date to 31 December 2020

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/32504/xt21004-ad01re02en18.pdf

And (from that document) here's an alternative take on our idea of 'take back control'

During the transition period, and in line with the European Council guidelines of 29 April 2017, the United Kingdom should remain bound by the obligations stemming from the agreements concluded by the Union, or by Member States acting on its behalf, or by the Union and its Member States acting jointly, while the United Kingdom should however no longer participate in any bodies set up by those agreements

(And the following clauses are arguably a little humiliating too)

And this is going to be take it or leave it, and we can’t leave it- but May can’t take it due to Mogg.

What’s Mogg’s solution to the Irish border issue?

Someone, you know like a proper journalist, should ask him that question. And then keep pressing as he vacillates.

She can say she's not going to take it, and people like Mogg and Johnson can fire up the populists by throwing public hissy fits. But we all know it will be accepted (in the same way that we have followed every other ruling by the EU during this process).

What’s Mogg’s solution to the Irish border issue?

Looking like a superannuated public schoolboy and singing 'Land of Hope and Glory', I'd imagine.

Cromwellian?

I seem to remember reading that the patronage of the Government now extends to over 100 MPs, with all the junior ministers. For fear of losing their jobs, (and the additional salary/pension), & potentially their HoC career, these are bound to support the opaque unachievable policies of TMay.
I suspect there are many remainers in this group,
including my own MP Nick Hurd.

Tell the Irish to leave the EU

What’s Mogg’s solution to the Irish border issue?

Someone, you know like a proper journalist, should ask him that question. And then keep pressing as he vacillates.

Except what this lot do is say “we don’t want a border, it’s the EU that wants a border and we won’t erect one if they don’t”, which feels like the Brexit equivalent of the kid who always said he had an invincibility cloak when you were playing cops and robbers - he’ll just keep saying it even though it’s reduced the whole enterprise to absurdity.

But a good journalist, i.e. not Piers Morgan, would be able to pick this fallacious argument apart

I dunno man, have you seen the state of our political class recently? Soundbite discipline means most interviews with UK politicians I watch seem to descend into the interviewee sticking their fingers in their ears and saying ‘nah nah I can’t hear you’

I mean, this is fundamentally the problem - nobody will actually go off message and have a conversation, which means the broadcasters accept it because otherwise they’d have nobody to book for interviews. Like him or hate him, Macron’s interview on Marr recently made most British politicians look like an am dram actors

I think you have nailed it. “We won’t build a border, if the EU wishes to do so then that is their choice”.

If we crash out and all the worst case scenarios come true, I do worry for the safety of Europeans here in the UK, in all honesty - the swivel-eyed brigade is creating one motherfucker of a stab-in-the-back, fifth column kind of narrative here.

On the subject of ‘scenarios’

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/the-governments-own-brexit-analysis-says-the-uk-will-be

So, they discussed this on the R4 news, and got Iain Duncan Smith on to offer his opinion. Such a waste of time.

'Put it to one side',
What on the tottering pile of other reports that forecast every flavour of Brexit will leave the UK worse off?

Its this kind of thinking that will get you far in politics.

I thought this was interesting;

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/will-conservative-party-ever-recover.html?m=1

This is good too;

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/12/if-brexit-going-badly-it-s-fault-brexit-elite-stop-trying-blame-48-cent;

"“Norway, but with immigration instead of fish”: single market membership, but with a tighter hold on immigration policy. "

OK like some other countries in the EU already have...?
I resent this immigration bullshit as EU nationals bring money to the UK pot and are younger and better educated than the UK average population, but if that's the main problem it may be solvable while staying in. [and also as a leftie metropolitan elite foreigner who doesn't trust any governments I resent it]

That won't fix the rabid press though, they may not see it as "enough"

I'm reading the guardian live blog. I don't understand this at all:

the leaked report says:

Every UK region would also be affected negatively in all the modelled scenarios, with the North East, the West Midlands, and Northern Ireland (before even considering the possibility of a hard border) facing the biggest falls in economic performance.

[Steve] Baker does not accept this. He says the economy grows under all the scenarios looked at in this report.

I don't get how you can be so brazen; the lie is obviously trivial to disprove, because of the quoted section of the report; but why is he allowed to make it.

The economy grows by less than it otherwise would. It’s sophistry but technically correct.