EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I didn’t realise that was news, it’s always been the case?

This is all quite sad

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/world/europe/nhs-brexit-eu-migrants.html

Seems like nonsense to me. This guy Kerr who apparently drafted A50 told us trying the dissuade the Brexiters' claim that the invocation of A50 is irreversible:"As far as the treaty is concerned there are lots of options. There is a provision to seek some extra time for negotiation and, much more important, there’s the ability at any stage to take back the letter that the prime minister sent to President Tusk on 29 March.” Some EU lawyers say the article is unclear though. Ironically the matter will have to be cleared up at the ECJ if things will go that far.

I didn’t realise that was news, it’s always been the case?

Possibly, although the message I have taken is that it was entirely possible for Westminster to revoke A50

This idea that the EU are being spiteful is just another line in the 'EU are terrible, lucky to be free' spiel being spread by leavers, UK government, press etc and it's absolute rubbish.

EU city of culture criteria is for EU members, EEA members or those on the path to join the EU. Hence Istanbul + Bergen winning in the past.

Once the UK leaves, we are no longer eligible. End of.

People need to see that there are actual consequences to leaving the EU, that are brought about solely by the decision to leave, rather than the EU being spiteful and mean.

This. Nothing strange about it.

Westminster can revoke it- but it's up to the EU to accept it.

Article 50 triggered a legal process- one over which we have zero control.

So yes, we can revoke it- essentially saying that we wish to reverse our decision, but the EU has to then accept that.

Analogies are dangerous when dealing with matters of international law- but, imagine you have dumped your partner, is it exclusively up to you to decide if you get back together again?

It’s a completely cynical move from EC to bar uk applications now. Any reading that they are just following due process is naive. We’re still full EU members until we actually leave and who knows what will happen before then.

By that logic they shouldn't have moved the EMA and EBA.

The UK has legally started the process to leave the EU. The EU has only this to go on. It makes no sense to not plan accordingly.

Welcome to world of non-tariff trade barriers. The more rabid brextards, (Redwood, etc.), 'we'll revert to WTO levies' seem to have no concept of the soft power that can be effortlessly deployed against the solitary UK.

I am not sure what to think about this one, as I suppose a cancellation in 2019 is pretty easy compared to having to move the EMA/EBA in 2019.

As the capital of culture event is in 2023.

It's another fine kick in the teeth for NI (and Scotland), Belfast and Derry/Londonderry are on the list.

Perhaps it's political, but the UK negotiation team deserves no prices for their attitude. It's to be expected somebody somewhere at some point loses their temper and becomes a little spiteful, if that's indeed what it is.

1) If you tell your dentist's office you're moving they don't keep your appointments on the book just in case.
2) It's hardly fair to the other cities which are bidding to have to run against cities which will not be eligible.

It would be much weirder if the EU didn't exclude an ineligible city. Embarrassing even, were they to win. Could you imagine the response from the right-wing press in the UK?

There may be some schadenfreude felt by certain people and places, but it's hard to see this as the main reason for the decision.

Yep 1&2 are fair enough too.

I would expect them to decide quite late (it's 2018 now) and so waiting until 2019 would be super saver "we tried everyone....the UK is SO leaving.

But it's a bit of a "Whatever you decide people will complain" call :)

Zimbabwe.
Who would have the obvious choice of the EU's chief negotiator,
with the (hopefully) returning to democracy Zimbabwe?
We could have welcomed them back into the Commonwealth,
bunged them a few quid from the DFiD pot that Pritty Vacant had lined up for the IDF,
for their education system, and offered prefential EU trade terms to help get the economy going again.
As it is, disgraced former Defence Secretary (ex-Dr.) Liam Fox, will be flying out with a pallet of samples of 'innovative jams', and whatever surplus pig semen Liz Truss doesn't need.

Would an investigation that proves willful misinformation was widespread change anything?

https://patribotics.blog/2017/11/24/exclusive-brexit-referendum-may-need-to-be-redone/

It certainly offers additional ammo for the soft brexit/pull back side

^^That is Louise Mensch's blog, so should not be taken as gospel.

Is it?! I thought it may be some double-bluff Russian shit.

Which maybe it is.

Does not look legit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42121442

Australia not happy with UK after Brexit trade proposal. Ups...they (UK brexit team) did it again :/

^^That is Louise Mensch's blog, so should not be taken as gospel.

I didn't know that. This bit was funny, though:

Sources speculated, without certainty, that any re-do of a corrupted Brexit vote might be announced after the arrest of Nigel Farage, which, separate sources assert, is a certainty.

I remember reading about this a few months ago; about how importing 100 quota units of lamb to Europe is totally different to splitting that and having to import 70 to Europe and 30 to the UK.

It sounded bloody complicated to resolve back then, apparently Davis has made no headway on it, who'd have guessed...

Davis and Fox are of course totally amazed that the former members of the Empire are not simply obeying orders.

And new Zealand got done when the UK joined the EU and changed its mind on lamb buying megafast.

There was to be a transition period but the UK didn't honour it / cut the lamb amount a lot, it was pretty hard for them.

They seem to forget that you better be nice to people on the way up...as you may meet them on the way down :)

I'm not going to link to it here but I think it is notable that the Mail Online is running with an article about links between Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Russia with regard to Brexit.

Putin's link to Boris and Gove's Brexit 'coup' revealed: Tycoon who
netted millions from Russian gas deal funds think tank that helped
write the ministers letter demanding May take a tougher stance on
leaving the EU

Its almost like Fox suddenly running pieces on Trump/Russia collusion.

The Mail on Sunday has a different editorial management team to the Daily Mail. Which shows quite a lot.