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Rik_Van_Looy in reply to @itsbruce

They found ways to align what they were doing with scripture because that was how you a) persuaded people to accept those beliefs, b) tried to avoid persecution for heresy.
If you were born and raised Christian and decided that something was a good idea, since you also believed God was good, clearly you'd find a way to show why God would support it. Doesn't mean the idea had the slightest connection with a mystery cult that became the official faith of a bloodthirsty empire.

Fair enough - I guess I'd argue that these progressive people had a clear understanding of the central redemptive message of Christ and that the rotters were using a religious framework to serve their own ends ("fuck all to do with faith" to use your terminology)

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JWestland in reply to @Rik_Van_Looy

Thing is though, nobody is even sure what Jesus' message was. Did he do away with the Jewish laws for example? Can you save yourself by following law? Were his apostles correct in being such sexist douches?

I think we can all agree "nice Jesus" is way better than "hell to y'all", but it's not even clear that image is Biblically correct.

But yep, the rotters will use religion to their own ends if they can...that's one thing we can all agree on I think :)

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Rik_Van_Looy in reply to @JWestland

Thing is though, nobody is even sure what Jesus' message was. Did he do away with the Jewish laws for example? Can you save yourself by following law?

Excellent question...

Were his apostles correct in being such sexist douches?

Probably not.

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