Tubeless Tyres -"saying the same things about tubeless tyres over and over again" Hippy read the first f**king post

I normally run 28. Who the fuck are mantel?

Well I didn't but then I did. but mainly it's because the deep front rim is shit and tubeless 'might' make it less shit.

£50 though? I don't think I spent that much on my TT race tyres.

Yeah? I'll have 'em.

I guess I'll try @Mu_Mu 28s and if they're crazy big I'll move to 25s.

Is @hippy going tubeless going to be the new @edscoble tyre installation comedy of errors?

Unlikely.

28c Pro Ones were just over 30mm on Kinlin xr31 RTS (24mm ext, 19mm int) if I remember rightly.

@hippy - ^^ Worth noting if you're a) anti-30mm tires or b) no have no clearance

I've run the Kinesis with 35mm tyres and they are ok if it's dry. 32mm is safer and what I use normally and 28 is what I use for TCR/TABR.

I have that rim-tyre combo and did not enjoy fitting one bit. Once on they are good, but on one the valve bung pulled through the rim bed and jammed inside the rim — can't pull it through, can't back it out.

IRC + Kinlin or Schwalbe + Kinlin?

The IRCs are a megacunt to actually get on the rim, but once they're there at least you don't have to remove them. Well, not until they wear out. ;)

Or you have punctured on the road. Where can you get these?

If the tyre is popping off that is a real problem. What tyre?

Not mine. I'm yet to try tubeless. That article up thread talks about people's issues with them blowing off and I recall a tweet by @Sparky I think with two failed tyres.

he is weird tho

IRC back in the country. just unpack quite alot of tyres. Yes IRC tyres are a tight fit which is why I never suggest users carry a tube. fix the tyre externally and those fix can be permanent and the fix works.

Harmanmogul you not meant to pull the valve through the rim! I am suspious of any tubeless tyre that is an easy fit as I would fear unseating. It will be interesting to see how the mavic UST rims fair in the long run.

Panaracer Gravel Kings - are these proper tubeless tyres, or "may work tubeless"?

What other gum-wall large volume mildly treaded tyres should I consider?

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/282074/?offset=750#comment13710733

What if I want something that I can bang a tube in and get rolling quickly though?

"I would fear unseating"

This tubeless malarkey isn't confidence inspiring.

It is not likely to be the tyres fault. I have found a number of rims that are not as tubeless compatible as they should be.

Try a schwalbe or IRC they are about as tight as each other. If those dont stay on then you have no hope. I have decent used schwalbe ones I am not using you could try. I think I have a older set of =IRC fusion X-guards hanging up. not likely to use these now so they are cheap.

They do a tubed and tubeless version of the Gravel king and Gravel King SK

https://www.panaracer.com/lineup/gravel.html

If you have a proper tubeless rim it is confidence inspiring. The only punctures that cant be fixed externally that the sealant wont seal are the ones where the tyre is beyond hope and beyond the help of an inner tube. I have made all these errors hippy. If you have to put a tube in you are doing something wrong. Tyres wont unseat with a good tyre rim combo. IRC/schwalbe + kinlin plus the carbon rims I use are very secure. I have had issues with tubeless unseating on HED and fulcrum rims. Some seating issues with some DT Swiss rims but they seem secure once on. Zipp, Renoylds, ENVE's I have not had the chance to test throughly yet. MAvic UST is next the problem is I have too many wheels and I am one man. I can only ride one bike at a time.

I have learnt the hard way what the interface needs to feel like for it to be secure. If the bead is properly seat you can ride at 15 psi without a tyre rolling off. You have to ride the tyre flat for it to unseat and even then it does not happen straight away.

I'm getting a couple of 28mm Pro Ones from @Mu_Mu so these will be my first test on the Light Bicycle U 65mm rim that I have.

What are the IRC fusion X-guards like?

It's for one of these rims...
https://www.lightbicycle.com/65mm-deep-carbon-700C-25mm-wide-road-rim-clincher-U-shape-tubeless-compatible-with-high-TG-resin-surface.html

I'm more worried about running at 90 psi and having it explode off the rim going around a corner or something. Like I said, this road tubeless tech is not inspiring much (any) confidence in me. I'm only trying it because this rim is a bitch getting tubed tyres seated already.

They do a tubed and tubeless version of the Gravel king and Gravel King SK

https://www.panaracer.com/lineup/gravel.­html

Ah. Has anyone see the tubeless version for sale anywhere?