Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

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  • beer soon? I am in SE1 #freelancelyf

  • You Have Been Chosen.

  • Maybe he'll be there tomorrow with a matching jersey for me to wear!

  • to wear

    Did you mean to tear?

  • The half wheeling parade seems to be more common place lately, unless its because of the fair weather we're having = more unaware cyclists.

    Or they're trying to chat me up when I can't hear a bloody word lolz as deaf as a post on the right hand side.

  • Has this been discussed yet? I'm a month+ late to seeing it. V.lucky rider(s) that it wasn't worse.

    https://youtu.be/GHvIhC4rcXA

  • Cyclists being dicks. "Victim" started in the worst possible bit of the blind spot and didn't leave it, but acted as if the lorry wasn't there.

    Mr Burrell, the guy with a camera, makes a dick argument in the video ("Cyclists are dicks and drivers should know what", basically). He repeatedly makes an even more stupid dick argument in the comments on his video: "Cyclists have no choice at that junction" - when they bloody well do.

  • It's shockingly bad road sense from all the riders involved. Left me feeling a bit queezy.

  • The "victim" can be excused his shouting somewhat since near-death shock. The guy with the camera is just a self-righteous dick on a bike.

  • I'd expect everyone involved to be shouty given that fright. Truck driver clearly emotions high as he's doing little wrong yet getting agro from the cyclists.

  • I've had drivers do this twice to me last month at junctions with the same layout (when on a biek). I've been holding primary in the middle lane to go straight on and they've intentionally pulled up in the left turn lane to try to undertake me as the lights change. Both times I thought they're self-entitled dicks with no road sense but I resisted the temptation to run them into the kerb!

  • he's doing little wrong - except being about 8 inches away from the kerb ?

  • It's a terribly designed bit of road. Given the volume of cyclists I'm always baffled that they haven't put an asl here. The left lane is for the tiny minority of left turning traffic so always fills with cyclists. Then the two lanes to the right are straight on, into a pinch point even without cyclists on the inside. I see near misses every week here. Nothing quite on this scale but it is an accident waiting to happen. So many drivers rag it off the line too, meaning any slightly slower cyclist gets squeezed by the curb. Just awful road design if you ask me. The junction relies on everyone being considerate and obliging of their fellow road users. Better chance of pig flying on a London commute.

  • He's clearly going to go straight where the cyclists all position themselves to turn left.

    Didn't see if he could've straddled the next lane for more width from kerb, lanes don't look wide enough for him to be anywhere else really. Regardless, the cyclist(s) was(were) at fault for putting themselves in that 8 inches.

  • What the hell are you all on about? The truck driver clearly knew the cyclist was there, as he was in front of him for some time and he waited behind him, then aggressively and extremely dangerously accelerated into an overtake out of impatience.

    Full disclosure :, I didn't watch the rest after that as for some reason I just can't bear watching people argue

  • You won't have to again. The guy just deleted the video. Massive negative reaction, mostly from fellow cyclists.

  • Old bill probably told him to delete it cos they're charging the driver for being a bellwhiff who, when he climbs out of the cab like an angry toddler, admits he knew the cyclists were there and carried on anyway. He should be guillotined and arrested.

  • Rules are rules, but if you kill someone because they broke a rule where does that leave you? Insane behaviour from the driver.

  • ^ & ^^
    By both your logic he can never cross that junction. The riders were in his blind spot, in the wrong lane for their chosen direction of travel. They must take some responsibility here.

  • if you kill someone because they broke a rule where does that leave you

    Heartbroken & shaken up. Probably some PTSD. No wonder he was shouty, it was a highly stressful interaction for all involved given the potential for a fatality.

  • If he wasn't aware there was a cyclist there he was negligent. If he was aware, then...

  • Astonishing. If he was aware of the cyclists in his blind spot in the marked left turn only lane then he'd have every right move away expecting them to turn left rather than remain in the blind spot putting themselves at high risk of going under his wheels. The 'but this is London' argument doesn't wash.

    If a car driver had been in that left turn only lane and tried to get across and ahead of the truck causing a near collision then everyone would be calling the car driver a fuckwit for making that move. No difference.

  • For the record I'm not particularly comfortable with vehicles of that size using and sharing city streets as they do due to the consequences when things go wrong. Whilst they continue to do so then the squishier road user must make certain of their own safety around them.

  • By blind spot you mean the area specifically covered by the nearside mirror, right?

    That is a stupid junction though, the two ahead lanes merge immediately after the bridge anyway, so it just creates a conflict while everyone is pulling away.

    I do abuse the left-turn lane there, because there's no ASL and often a queue of traffic (and almost never anyone actually turning left), but I merge back into the middle lane rather than just undertaking whatever's in front.

  • Saw the exact same combination of traffic at that junction this morning - shame the video above has now been removed. It's the junction of Cheyne Walk and Beaufort Street.

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4819826,-0.1740644,3a,75y,56.97h,82.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgWGZN72vIwpCbMeNdxTkdg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    The articulated truck I saw this morning was dutch I think and so left hand drive, which might have helped re blind spot. Still, all the cyclists queued in the turn left lane, with only me and one other out front of the truck technically over the stop line.

    Once I was safely off and away I glanced back and the truck had done the sensible thing and stopped in the junction to wait until he was certain it was clear on his inside before continuing. I still heard a beep, no doubt from a car on his right trying to squeeze through before the lights changed again.

    It's just a bad junction which encourages the hoards of less astute cyclists on our road to put themselves in harms way. In London, as a cyclist it is ingrained in you by the infrastructure to do two things: filter on the left and aim for front where there will be an ASL.

    At this junction, filtering on the left is easy because there is an entire empty left turn lane most of the time, the problem is, when you get to the front, there is no ASL. Also, the traffic is regularly backed up well back down the road towards lots road so you have to filter up the inside unless you want a 10 minute queue for the lights.

    So you get to the front and stay put in the left lane with no room to go anywhere else. You either have to gamble on getting to the pinch point in front of the vehicles to the right, or wait and hover on the left until it is safe to go straight on. It's just not good enough design if this many people get into trouble or this level of thought is required to navigate it.

    In the example we previously had, the guy was an idiot as he didn't get away quick enough to get to the pinch point out in front, and then was seemingly blind to the fact he may have adjust his speed or position based on what was happening around him. I always shoulder check before the pinch just in case it's gonna get tight. The driver of the truck is clearly an accident waiting to happen as when you go out in the morning to drive your enormous truck through central London rush hour the first thing on your mind needs to be, how can I do this without squishing someone? His was not the driving of someone playing by these rules.

    More room is needed on the inside here. I think the only option is single lane straight on and an ASL/marked cycle lane on the inside. Worth suggesting to the council?

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Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

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