General Election June 2017

I think the independent variable here is wealth. The older people get, the more wealth they have. Many people are selfish. That's why the state needs to force us to redistribute. If it's up to us, many generally won't.

Having said that, you don't have to become a selfish prick. But I think it's fair to say many do.

The main difference is what you HAD. Of course the baby boomers are going to vote to protect what they have. It's fucking rigged to get them to vote for it.

The generations following will have less and therefore a tougher start in adult life so they surely will be more interested in voting for a society that benefits them, same as their folks.

David Kitchen for PM!

^^totally this. It never fails to amaze the amount of people who would vote for the extinction of the rest of humanity if they were promised a penny in the pound income tax cut.

The older people get, the more wealth they have

and the fear of losing it (wealth) in old age ?

It seems that some students may have had two votes - one in their home town and one in their university town.

https://www.change.org/p/uk-electoral-commission-labour-general-election-fraud-2017?recruiter=36550301&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

Even better - making the effort twice :)

I feel old, but I first voted in the 1987 general election. I voted LibDem then, but solely because they had more of a chance of beating the incumbent Tory MP than Labour. I was pretty left wing then, and remain on that side of the political spectrum, mainly because one of my fundamental beliefs is that the quality of a society should be judged on how it treats the least fortunate members of society. I can't envisage a situation where voting for the Tories would be my best option for addressing that.

From a selfish perspective, I worry about the future of my children and feel it is my duty to try and improve society for them and their generation.

Isn't a petition against something that's already illegal a bit of a pointless exercise?

I'm 41 now which is pretty old on this board

Not anymore....

London Fixed Gear Senior Sitizens

General UK trends split by age seem to suggest this. (Lord Ashcroft and other polls)

Luckily my parents aren't going there, they are still centre and actually became a tiny bit more liberal.

I can understand people being worried about pension triple lock, I mean, who gives an 70 year old a job) and possibly we get more selfish as we gather goods.

But it may depend on dataset. If your life is filled with daily mail... perhaps all you do is get more right wing. But hanging out with refugees may turn you more lefties for example.

The UK media climate is .... Interesting. Perhaps that skews older people towards more conservative views, if it's true they watch more TV.

I can't make a hard assumption w/o good datasets. Just trying not to become like the guy from the tuv who was always a bitter man and he only gets more bitter!

I've actually turned away from socialism with Brexit, though I agree with their criticism on the centre moving right, a d Labour not fully backing immigration I'm too cynical / realistic and expect a revolution to only put power in the wrong hands.

I moved more towards greens but always been a centre left voter. A Liberal metropolitan elite foreign Snowflake really :p

I think if getting older = getting more comfortable and getting a bit blinder/more hardened to the problems of the world, then you're probably right that that does happen. But I think if you live in London and you see how rough things are for those at the bottom of the pile, it's much harder to justify voting selfishly. So I think geography is as important as age.

Yeah, this. I've drifted to the left as I've got older but I am far from the norm I think. I have friends, mostly in London, who were already left-leaning and have stayed there. But an equal number who have drifted / stayed right. As for the ones who moved to the country....facebooks full of Tory/Brexit-ness.

Jez the Joker:

Jeremy Corbyn is speaking now.

He starts by congratulating Ken Clarke on being father of the house. He jokes about seeing Clarke in the tearoom smoking, drinking lager and eating a bacon sandwich while taking a break from a debate on healthy living.

He says he hopes that May will agree with him that democracy is a wonderful thing, and can throw up unexpected results. He says he looks forward to the Queen’s speech, when the “coalition of chaos” is ready. If it cannot form a government, the Labour party is ready to provide “strong and stable” government, he says.

He says Labour looks forward to this parliament, “however short it might be”.

BANTA

This is easier to detect than you might think.

Each polling station has a Register of Electors at it. That list is crossed as each person votes. once polling ends, that list is shipped back to the council, who sell it to each of the parties. Thus, the parties have a full list of who has voted where. I believe that the same process works with Postal votes too.

So, if you are registered in two locations, it should be fairly easy to spot people voting twice. It is, of course, much easier to pick up people with unusual names, whereas it's harder to spot the John Smiths of the world.

I don't know how much of the verification data (eg NINOs that they also get).

Juncker must be laughing his head off, that May took his advice, and held a GE.

I knew a guy who liked to play Risk like that. He'd encourage a newcomer to the game to keep on conquering new territories until they occupied a huge area but only had one army per square. Then it would be his turn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I

A nice video explaining how badly skewed parliament is VS total votes thanks to FPTP...

(NI has STV for Stormont, c'mon Parliament get the finger out....)

I could have done the same, a while ago when registering online the gov't website said enter all addresses you live at and we'll let you know when you can vote. This election they sent me a postal vote for Kent and form for Southwark, so would have been easy to assume that I could vote twice, had to search internet to confirm my suspicion that i wasn't meant too.

That's for 2015, obviously, but it would be interesting to see how it's worked out for 2017. A bit more proportional, I think, given that UKIP's geographically-dispersed vote has disappeared. The Tories are a little over-represented, Labour are a little under-represented, and SNP probably still the main beneficiary of the disproportionality.

I used those videos for teaching electoral systems to my Politics class, they're great.

I don't doubt his work ethic, I just don't think I share his view of what matters. I don't care about identity politics.

I'm not the only one who thinks he (and G Mombiet) are a bit of a gift to the right.

Way down. I work it out as 20.42%

For the major parties (more than 2% of the vote):-

Con vote=42.4% seats=48.9% diff=6.5%
Lab vote=40.0% seats=40.3% diff=0.3%
SNP vote=3.0% seats=5.4% diff=2.4%
LD vote=7.4% seats=1.8% diff=5.5%

something i seek to assuage by pretending to be leftier than thou.

He's still hold-in Ecuadorian embassy so should be easy to find.

The absolute difference doesn't make much sense. Seats per vote shows things better imo.

Con Vote=42.4%, Seats=48.9% Seats/Vote = 1.15
Lab Vote=40.0%, Seats=40.3% Seats/Vote = 1.01
SNP Vote=3.0%, Seats=5.4% Seats/Vote = 1.8
LD Vote=7.4%, Seats=1.8% Seats/Vote = 0.24

I was just calculating the figure that was calculated in the video for 2017 (they video did it for all of the elections up to 2015 but not 2017).