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  • He could have pointed out a hard brexit was disastrous

    I thought Labour have been saying that constantly?

    and use that as a rational to not use a triple whip on article 50. He just bowled over, which may have been the right thing to do in hindsight.

    No, I think he couldn't help but impose a triple whip--firstly because (I think) votes of such importance are always whipped, secondly because the 'press' would have crucified him for not doing so, and thirdly because he assessed the atmosphere around 'Brexit' quite correctly.

    I am also not impressed by the immigration ballix of Labour during the campaign (visa for EU nationals?) and their stance they can get the single market but limit EU freedom of movement, but they will soon find that out.

    We'll see. I'd certainly rather have Keir Starmer sitting there than that bizarre trio. Oops, sorry, a weak and wobbly leader.

    It wasn't off his own making obv. And the LidDems still got punished for being in government with the Tories...

    Probably, but also simply because most voters weren't too interested in 'Brexit' this time around and the Lib Dems failed to profile themselves on a host of other issues, e.g. those issues the Labour manifesto addressed and which proved popular.

  • Aye, fair enough on Lib Dems they may have over estimated how people understand Brexit: Cos this is going to bit the economy in the backside. So they really wanted to focus on staying in the single market. While Labour played the softly gently game.

    Or they crash the UK out anyway. Either way, as an EU national with no UK citizenship (cos I can't) by now I am honestly getting fed-up with UK politics.

    Starmer refused to allow the EJC to have a say about EU national rights after Brexit, comes up with no alternative, we still know nothing. Best hope I have is that this mess collapses again, and Labour comes back as the biggest party.

  • If you don't mind me asking, is there a reason you can't become a British citizen? I thought you'd been over here for a fair time.

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