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Devon.

british gamblers lost a record £13.8bn last year

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/25/uk-gamblers-fobt-dcms-losses

mugs game ?

Theresa May?

mugs game ?

I bloody love Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

I'm not sure @Fox ever will realise it. And that's why the mainstream press will never improve, they really don't understand the public's view of them and genuinely think they are doing a good thing.

Writing and doing what they like, justifying it purely by saying it's what people want to read. It's fucking horrible.

To reduce the phone hacking thing to Max Moseley says it all. What about Millie Dowler?

Still, as you say, to everyone outside the press you win and @Fox loses. Hopefully he'll realise that at some point.

To be clear, I do think that elements of the press do an extremely valuable job.

But the sort of "reporting" I was referring to isn't one of them.

My "I win" comment was intended to be light-hearted, but I do need all teh internet points I can get.

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Someone previously said 'Not all journalists'.

In every industry there are good people and bad people. Then other people use the bad ones as an excuse to control the good ones, while the good ones try to defend their right to keep doing their jobs.

But from the tenor of this discussion, there's little interest in understanding how the media actually works, so I don't really see the purpose in arguing the point further.

I think the point re: Max Moseley is that he is largely funding the preferred press regulator, IMPRESS. I don't think many think that that is a good idea.

I was referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NotAllMen

Right. Given recent events, I thought it was a reference to not tarring all the members of a group with the actions of one of its members. Hey ho.

TBh you're sounding like a Telegraph sympathiser now. I preferred the old you.

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Exactly. Not a wider point.

I'm not defending unacceptable behaviour or journalists writing and doing what they like, or justifying it purely by saying it's what people want to read.

But if you go after the bad outlets most ways of doing that are blunt instruments and you'll end up going after the good ones too.

On the specific point of death knocks, I don't believe that the majority of the public think that sympathetic, well-handled ones should be banned. The former chair of the PCC said in post that "it's absolutely legitimate and right to report on the death of someone in the community" and "absolutely in the public interest that people know how members of the community have died".

Death knocks aren't some terrible, out-there journalistic practice. That was my main point.

Happy to call it your win. We probably agree on a lot more than we think but that's the internet for you :)

Just listening to the reaction at the UKIP manifesto launch to Laura Kuenssberg's question - sounds like a bunch of thugs down a pub...

Bantz innit.

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So if the UKIP manifesto is heavily focused on tackling extremism, can they not easily accomplish this by simply disbanding?

...in unison, from the top of the white cliffs of Dover, as a symbolic gesture.

This makes me sad.

https://www.moas.eu/33-casualties-board-including-7-children-14-women-12-men-boat-carrying-approximately-750-people-partially-capsizes-mediterranean/