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Thanks for heads up

Anyone got a cheap rim+hub suitable for a mug like me to practice building?

are the hard anodised Archetypes more resistant to wear than Kinlin XR22T? Or is the difference in price unjustifiable on any level other than aesthetics?

No, the grey hard ano wears off as fast as any other elox brake track

thought as much, thanks

I have a 36h deore front hub I'm not doing anything with. It's been used but condition is ok. Located in Brixton.

Thanks man, pm'd you

I have yet to find any machined brake track rims that last longer than others unless it is the rigida sputnik or perhaps the rigida chrina.

Not sure best place to ask but can anyone point me in the direction of a campag 11 speed Freehub compatable 10speed cassette to run with Shimano/Sram?? Cheers!

My new 28h hubs looks like a Campag base

I need 295,6mm and 294,6mm spokes and ordered 296mm and 294mm. Is that cool?
I'm going for 28h 3x if that is of any relevance.

I am planning on having Mack low flanges laced to archetypes, as a fair weather commute bike in London with a 20/24 count.

I weigh about 63kg, and as far as I'm aware this count is safe, do people normally choose to go higher just for durability? Also a few users have mentioned there are better and cheaper rims than the archetypes now, so any suggestions on different rims? (I probably won't be running brakeless)

do people normally choose to go higher just for durability?

Yes, and for greater stability in the event of a spoke breakage. You can usually ride home with one spoke out on a 32H wheel, whereas on 20H it's likely that you'd have to at least slacken off the brake clearance to the point of making it ineffective.

any suggestions on different rims?

The thread is full of them, DT R460 is the cheap option, Kinlin XR22T is also significantly less than Archetypes.

I would go higher count just to have more rim options. If you're brakeless, 20H NMSW rims are non existant, unless you want to pay ridiculous prices for Archetypes post brexit or get chinese carbon

Ive had a pair of 20/24 macks sat in a cupboard since christmas because of this dilemma

It's like reading my own post as I was aiming for the same setup and am about the same weight :)
The general trend in this thread is that there are cheaper and/or better rims than Archetypes now. RR511, R460, XR31T and XR22T are often recommended.
I went for 28/28 on R460DB (they are 28€ per rim) in the end. That should survive everything I planned to do and not to do.

@Turkish carbon is the way to go

Turkish carbon is the way to go

Is that like Chinese carbon but with an even worse human rights record?

Thanks for the comments with the recommendations. I'm intending to build a vanity bike more than anything. So I'll probably just keep the lower count just because I personally like the look more, and I want to be a weight weenie about things to make up for the heavy frameset.

@Turkish , with Chinese carbon rims is there anything specific I should look for? I've only heard of Yishunbike rims because of the bikeradar fixed gear hill climb bike.

Based on what every one has said so far, I'm very keen on the XR22T's because of the price, weight and msw.

General consensus is CN Carbon if you want to save money/dont mind weight. LightBicycle will be lower weight/better design but more expensive. Im certainly not an expert and theyre probably all much of a muchness

The collective opinion of LFGSS community is pretty good overall. I probably won't go for China Carbon this time around because the weight advantage is marginal vs cost, and I watch too much Durianrider.

Another question regarding wheel building, does the quality of the LBS you go to matter much for the wheel build? I've seen threads where specific builders are recommended but I had initially just planned on either going to Brixton Cycles, Cycle PS, or Seabass Cycles.

There also some good wheel builders on the forum

does the quality of the LBS you go to matter much for the wheel build?

Not if you build them yourself 😀

Wheelbuilding is a skill, but one which can be replicated fairly easily by an unskilled operator using the right algorithm. The target is a circular wheel with uniform and correct spoke tension. A good builder will get closer to this end quicker, by an amount which exceeds the ratio of his hourly rate to that of a monkey. In other words, if the monkey spends enough time to get a good result, he will have to be fed more peanuts than the skilled builder.

if the monkey spends enough time to get a good result

that sounds exactly like my first wheelbuilding experience

totally worth it imho