Wheelbuilding / Wheel Building / Wheel build help

When I find a good wheelbuilder, I just throw hubs, rims and money at them and pick the wheels up when they've finished.

My local, the Velohouse, charges £70 per pair to build and Sapim Race at £1 per spoke totaling £134...

£70 is a fair price if they're good at the job, but charging twice the going rate for spokes on top is taking the piss. Buy your own spokes and lace them up, then get your shop to finish them if you don't trust your own skills.

Cheers @hippy

@mdcc_tester Yeah I'd asked if this was an option and predictably they said would prefer to start the build from scratch themselves...

I'm happy with £70 for the build and figured I'd have to swallow the +£30 mark up to avoid waiting for the postman to not deliver my spokes and take them depot in the next town for collection etc...

I guess I could ask if they will price match the spokes?

Cheers again,
Matt

Recommend me some (black) spokes pls
70kg rider
50mm carbon rim
24h (non-disc) rear hub
no cobbles or 2000w standing starts planned in the near future

Sapim Laser?

You could probably get away with Lasers at your weight and that rim depth. I'd go for DT Swiss Comps because they'll be much stronger, cheaper and you won't be able to notice the difference.

Called LBS and they don't price match spokes but will build with ones I provide but the build price goes up to £80 for the pair... total = £112.80

The guy at the local CycleSurgery will 'finish' my laced wheels for £40 the pair... so if I order spokes from Spa this option will total £72.80

decisions decisions...

Sapim Race or DT Comp. Or CX ray if you have £££

You can buy a tacx wheel truing stand, a dishing tool and a spokey for a little more than that from rosebikes. They also have really cheap spokes.
3x on archetype is an easy job for a first build. You won't regret it.
I can send you a very easy guide if you want it.

@Simba That is a good idea but more bike kit will stress relations with the wife so... I've built a few wheels before but they took me ages so happy to pass the task on to a professional!

anyway - decision made! called Spa and ordered 64x Sapim Race and with the money I'm 'saving' by lacing myself and having someone cheap finish them I bought an SP Dynamo...

http://www.spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s133p3036/SP-DYNAMO-PV-8

Sorted!

Cheers all for advice!

Any recommendations for a fixed track hub, low flange, black, ideally 24h or 28h? Won't get loads of abuse and not bothered about weight either, so something cheap would do.

UTFS only brings up Phil, which is a bit overkill for my needs.

I'm building up some wheels for a gravel/all-road bike. More towards the all-road end of the spectrum - 30mm tyres with discs. I've got some Tune King/Kong 32h hubs I'm going to use, and I'm planning on using the new 28mm wide Light Bicycles rims. Question is, which spokes? CX-Rays are my default spoke for pretty much everything, but I'm wondering whether it's a bit pointless using aero spokes if there are 32 of them per wheel. Ideas and suggestions welcome. Albeit I'll probably just use CX-Rays anyway...

@onyerbike https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collections/hubs/products/zenith-track-hubs-front-or-rear-24h-28h-or-32h-black-or-silver

or spend a bit more on some Miche Primato?

cheers, I was looking for a lower flange, something like this: http://www.singlespeedshop.com/Single-Speed---Fixed-Gear/Hubs-466/Dia-Compe/Dia-Compe-Gran-Compe-Small-Flange-Track-Hub---Front---Black-Matte.html

Can only find 32h though.

CX Ray

Will be my first wheel build. Aero spokes are a bit of a PITA, no?

Dunno i've not built with them

Aero spokes are a bit of a PITA, no?

Much less of a PITA than Lasers. With CX-Rays, you can immediately see if they are wound up, and the tool to hold them to prevent wind up is cheap.

pointless using aero spokes if there are 32 of them per wheel

Twice as much aero benefit as you'd get on a 16 spoke wheel 😀

Assuming you have sometime to hold them with, they make the wheel easier to tension because you can prevent them from twisting.
If the wheel is going to be (RALTech) covered most of the time, go with any double butted spoke. If it isn't, CX-Ray is a good shout.

EDIT: I'm too slow.

Doesn't a higher flange build a stronger wheel, or am I mistaken?

Two weeks on i finally checked partners wheel, surprised to find it is not joytech but Shimano fh-rm30 solid axle. Looks a simple swap to this:

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hub-spares/shimano-fhrm307qr-rear-hub-axle-assembly-146mm-y3cc98020/

Edit for reference, this was a simple swap and allowed bearing (9 x 1/4 each side) replacement at same time too.

Ok, new fixed commuter wheels time. They'll be built on On One fixed hubs, 32h with DT Swiss Alpine III spokes. The only unknown is the rim and I'm open to suggestions. Those R460's that everyone was raving about, are they a still a good shout?

@Hovis, am I right that you had some issues and said to look elsewhere?

Basically I want wide profile and solid. What's the new Archetype?

Have had time to read a bit this afternoon.

So, I like the look of the Kinlin XR31T and XR22T. Anyone got experience of these?

In terms of hubs, Miche Primato/Zenith cost the same (£70). Are they worth the extra over Formula hubs (£50)?

I have a XR31T on the Kinesis, my TCR bike so yeah lots of miles, no probs.
I've been trying to flog a black, offset, 32h one that I bought and didn't need.

Good to know. I was also thinking of using these rims when my DA on Archetype's need replacing. They look like a solid option for all year round training wheels.