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Oh looking around I see the same U.K I have always seen. I don't think anything has changed. People are saying what they think now that actually is no bad thing because now we know, we should have known anyway if us remainers had bothered to look out of our liberal bubble.
If people feel unsafe in the UK then they wont be safer anywhere else. The UK is one of the safest places in the world to live so while I welcome all if you dont feel safe you are free to move and not be any safer anywhere else.
I voted to stay in btw.
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Not saying Remain didn't make mistakes, I am sure they did. BUT: People were encouraged to vote on their gut and were sold an illusion of democracy.
Immigration? Gut feeling. Instead of breaking it down for people, Leave choose to use generalized blaming, which Remain picked up the wrong way by calling people racist/xenophobic (well some of them, not all, like not all brexiters etc) and generalized blaming is GREAT! It stops people thinking about their own interests.
What part of immigration is the issue? How will brexit fix this? Can they be held to their promises? Will there be a points system? What is going on with lack of integration? Will brexit fix this? Can Leave be held to their promises? (nope?)
Democracy? Same thing. "We don't need experts". Populism again. What is the first thing we see? Mob rule. "the people have spoken". See also the referenda in Ireland and The Netherlands where the ruling power pretends they give people power, but they don't.
The concerns and promises are genuine in many cases, but the way Leave handled it and bullshitted there would be real empowerment is a disgrace.
All we can do now is write and complain about the things we don't like. Because we are all in the same boat.
(and Osborne is an asshat I think we can mostly agree on that ;)
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Immigrants have been attacked in the street, hate crimes are up.
Rights of EU immigrants are not guaranteed at all, deportations are unlikely, but they do happen and lack of rights can happen too (housing/benefits...)
It's easy to say "it's safe" but not if you happen to be the flavour of the year to be picked on. No doubt that's the liberal bubble cos I haven't been attacked yet or told to go home.. ;)
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The only way to influence your MP is make a bloody nuisance of yourself
If that's really true, I don't think James will ever manage to influence his MP in any way at all. :)
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Much of what is behind Brexit being the wrong 'solution' for the perceived problems is the old phenomenon that people often attack those whom they feel they can attack, not those who actually cause the problem, who may be stronger and meaner, and may hit back.
The EU is an easier and softer target--more remote, more strange, and more capable of having any old bollocks pinned on it than targeting what would really make a change--reversing much domestic UK politics of the last 30+ years (Tories/Blair) and the real problem of 'globalisation', in which the EU has become enmeshed (e.g., Kohl/Thatcher/Chirac) but of which it is by no means a primary cause.
Change is often frightening and even those who want it may choose to find their preferred catalyst for change in a way that feels less like jumping off a cliff or fearing retribution--e.g., protesting against the Tories, who would still be here following any putative protest against them (like, say, a domestic abuser against whom it's difficult to call the police), unlike the EU, which would be gone following a 'Brexit'.
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My motivations for wanting to remain are complex and I'm aware that it's as much gut feeling as rational analysis. I think it's a mistake to think that my motivations are any more or less noble than your average leave voter - I think in certain aspects I may agree with some leavers' diagnosis of the problem, I just completely disagree with them on the cure.
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The alternative is that they did know what they were voting for, which would make any sort of rapprochement pretty challenging.
But not necessarily impossible. And I think I'd rather try rapprochement than further polarisation and extremism. Of course the difficulty is figuring out where we can agree. But not writing all leavers off has to be the first step.
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I'd take Tony Blair as Prime Minister over Theresa May.
There, I've fucking said it. I feel dirty.
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Fuck this is like Clinton or Trump - two shit options.
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When has there ever been a perfect choice in an election?
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Both of the offical campaigns lied. Osbourne told some huge porkies. The vote was more about how people feel about the issue as whole (immigration was a big part for many) but I don't this claim and that claim had a big bearing. It was more a reaction at being told that if you are a decent human vote to remain. I know many decent humans who voted for brexit. I would not call any of them racists because I know they are not.
So remainers who still think people who voted for brexit did so because they wee bulshitted need to think again. It was about alot more than that. It was about democracy not working right for them.
dancing james if you never voted who can you influence. The only way to influence your MP is make a bloody nucience of yourself by writing and making apppointments to see them. this is how democracy works it is about active participation not sitting back and assuming the liberal agenda will always hold sway.
On that point I have another letter to write to my MP and another appointment to make.