EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

The lords can't stop Brexit. The Tories won't let them. I doubt they'd abolish the house, but rather fill it with enough dickheads to get whatever they want through. This is what arch-toff Rees-Mogg has argued for, anyway. Maybe they'll get some amendments in which are subtle enough that it wouldn't be worth the political turmoil to try and fight them...

In other news: can you imagine how obnoxious Rees-Mogg must have been as a young person? God.

a festering toilet of unearned privilege who presumes that he knows better than you because he's richer than you. hopefully he was bullied relentlessly at school for being a thick, posh cunt. unlikely since he sounds a bit homeschooly.

who is that fucking chinless inbred ginger cunt who looks like Matt Lucas doing the US Presidential aide in Little Britain, sits to the left of May at PMQ's?

the site of those fuckers guffawing and braying made me want to go postal the other day

Apparently (unsurprising really) one or more of the judges involved in the Trump 'ban' case have needed protection against threatening behaviour.

I'm not expecting the lords to stop brexit, but some decent amendments (parliament get a say on the final deal, EU national rights...) would be nice.

Not holding my breath though...

YouGov survey here from 3rd February suggesting that there has been very little change in view on Brexit from Brexit voters https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/xrkkkidqmc/InternalResults_170203_Favourability_W.pdf

Somewhat contradicts the view that some seem to have that Brexit voters are suffering from buyer's remorse and didn't want this.

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The trouble with abolishing them is what you replace them with.
A fully elected second chamber would demand equal political power to the Commons, which the Commons have no interest in granting as they would have to give up their primacy under the Parliament Act.
A second-division, fully-elected House Of Lords, with inferior, diminished powers, would become full of people who weren't quite good enough to get themselves elected to the Commons, but sharp elbowed enough to win elections with little public interest and low turnout. Basically, all those MEPs you've never heard of would end up as the second chamber, and the House of Lords would face the same public image problems that did for the UK in the EU.
Maybe the way to go is to expand the Appointments Committee, which currently only deals with headhunting the brightest and best to be cross benchers, and get rid of the power of the Prime Minister to recommend people.
Way above my pay grade.

So, basically, it was not set up correctly and now we are stuck?

As France/The Netherlands/Belgium all have elected Senates to check what the executive is up to.

Not so much "not set up correctly" as "evolved over nearly 1000 years and arrived at something that works marginally better than all the other ways which we've tried out".
There is always scope for amendment, and it actually does change fractionally all the time. The trouble is that the fractional changes are individually marginal when viewed in the short term of the average attention span, and the media are only interested in the place when it makes a mistake. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the general public either thinks the lords are still wholly hereditary and irrelevant, or has no interest in any sort of politics unless there is a bite-sized headline with a clear instruction on who to blame for the latest outrage.
Most of the time the Lords just get on with quietly correcting the half-finished work of the Commons, in a way that is never going to excite anyone or provoke any media coverage.

Given Rees-Mogg is only 47 now, I bet he's been exactly the same since he was a teen.

I agree. Imagine a 17 year old version. The kind of cunt who burns money in front of the homeless.

More the kind who'd want to do that, but be too chicken to go through with it.

I don't mind the lords overall. Some are knobs but in the other hand it's a pleasant change to actually have people with qualifications in the area they're debating.

It would not surprise me to learn that Jacob Rees Mogg was still breastfed by his nanny.

I can imagine him driving past a queue at a Gregg's and him calling it a 'breadline'

The UKIPS

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the fuck Kimmy? the actual fuck?

how the fuck did we reach the point people even feel comfortable positing these kind of questions.

I would love to see what this planet would be like now if rupert murdoch's dad had pulled out instead.

I thought it might be someone trolling but they've carried on and it turns out they're just a racist cunt, advocating segregation in schools and saying most crime is committed by 'muslims and blacks'.

Paul Nuttall. What a dick.

https://twitter.com/RadioCityNews/status/831493111989862402

in an entirely unsurprising move, it seems thick racist, opportunist arsehole paul nuttall lied about losing friends at hillsborough.

If he's too stupid to lie about lying then he's not fit for today's political environment.

Can someone explain to her that it is poor white trash cunts that are the big drain on the UK.

I just paid £4863 for my visa LOLOLOLOL

yeah, but white people 'behave' themselves, so there's that.