EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Hah. Yeah the Wales thing is grating. But the rest of it is reasonably thought-provoking.

I don't think you need to ring Wittgenstein just yet, Fox's position is only made possible by conflating English people with Scottish people out of some hereditary sense of dominion in the first instance, then adding just a smidgen more of patronising contempt for the very notion that they might think their own national and social identity could ever possibly deviate from the London-centric, Southern Counties dominated politics that shits on the rest of England, Northerners, Pakis and Wogs, Poles, Gypos and 'them folks with a funny accent' just as freely as it does the Scots, or god forbid even the Welsh or Irish.

Every time Fox posts about Scottish Nationalism the Universe lols into its rosehip tea at a man with less sense and more hot air than a flatulent brewery horse.

I can see what fox is getting at here. There seems to be a lot prior chat weighing in on opinions but I agree the nationalism is divisive and frankly leaves a load of people behind. I'm from the forgotten bit of England between Newcastle and Scotland. I'm not Scottish and can't identify as such, but largely agree with how the Scots feel about tories/Westminster, and it can be really frustrating being divided by that imaginary line.
I don't really know anything about the technicalities of nationalism or who Wittgenstein is though.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/15032263.BBC_fails_to_moderate_racist_and_homophobic_comments_on_website/

with cunts like this spouting their racist shite on a publicly funded broadcaster, i'd feel a little defensively nationalistic too.

I'm sure that you can also see that calling inhabitants of a different nation 'Nationalists' because they don't want to continue to be affiliated to your own is a bit like France berating Belgium for thinking that it might just prefer not to be French or indeed, casually assuming that any other country (such as Scotland) with a historically distinct and homogenous population spanning over a millennia and a half just love having their political preferences, economic and social needs completely ignored generation after generation...

Unless of course, you subscribe to Fox's erudite view that places Scotland in the same category as Shropshire.

I support Shropshire independence.

I apologise if I've made lazy, crass, tired generalistions. I'm happy to have them pointed out. It'll help me stop making them again.

To be fair only on that specific thing. I hate neo Nazi BNP thug types obviously but I do feel it's a lazy generalisation at the same time. It wasn't aimed at your wider contributions.

I don't have a problem with any of these things individually, but why does it need to be wrapped up in insidious nationalism?

None of this actually makes any sense. At least I can't address any of it. Possibly because I just got back from the pub.

... Your own views represent a far more smug, insidious nationalism than anything Nicola Sturgeon has ever uttered.

To put it in a more local dialect 'if you think you're smelling shite it's because your nose is too close to your own arsehole pal' and if you can't make any sense of it it's probably because you've been raised in the comfortable belief that Britain or UK is just another way of saying 'English'

Gruber and Fox having an unending bitter argument thread >>>>>>>>>

But I don't believe in any borders at all, and I've already said I think all countries are ultimately the same. And nationalism is bad.

How does that make me a nationalist? It clearly doesn't.

If it doesn't make any sense it's because your argument, well, doesn't make sense.

Don't worry @jimmy_james I'm done. I think if I argued the earth was round Gruber would be along to tell me that's a London-centric worldview...

ah, so you're an open minded Globalist petitioning all nation states to abandon borders or any other institutions or customs that would hinder this ambition?

It's funny that this doesn't come accross in any of your posts-here was me thinking that despite all your claims to close intimacy with Scottish politics because you've visited a few times, your stated resentment of people there choosing to speak Gaelic (their native language) and your previous comparison of the SNP to the Nazis that you were actually just a facile idiot.

But lo! You're resentment isn't a political party advocating a peaceful renegotiation of treaties to be able to offer its people a more moderate, socially inclusive and European government, it's just any form of Nationhood existing in the first place.

Given that neither the Lib Dems, Labour or Tories are advocating for the abolition of either borders or Britain's statehood you'll be comparing them-and anyone supporting them-to Nazis any minute now, won't you?

I didn't compare the SNP to the Nazis. I never actually mentioned the Nazis. I think you're thinking of @johnnyhotdog

I also don't resent anyone speaking Scots Gaelic - and never said that either - but the 2011 Scottish census found 1.1% of the population could speak it, so by any linguistic definition it's not the native language of Scotland.

Presumably as you got your facts wrong you'll apologise for calling me a facile idiot now?

As I've already said my resentment isn't a political party advocating a peaceful renegotiation of treaties to be able to offer its people a more moderate, socially inclusive and European government, it's a political party using nationalism to further their 'movement'.

Did I say "it's the native language of Scotland"? I said it was the native language of the people you were referring to as if they just upped and decided to learn it to injure your delicate sense of globalism.

You have indeed compared the SNP to National Socialism in Germany, I'll be fucked if I'm going back through the referendum thread but I've a good memory for instances where people revert to their native language of Cuntish.

Your continually mindless insistence on focusing solely on the word Nationalist in isolation from any context (either Scottish or UK) is in itself pretty facile and self serving when as has been pointed out to you many times, it's a far more nuanced term that can imply a wholly different meaning.

If Scotland weren't already a distinct Nation your opinion might have a bit more traction, but it is and the SNP is no more divisive or Nationalist than the government of any other nation that wants to best represent the interests of its people.

BBC Alba is fucking funny though when you're off your chops

Get a fucking room you two.

The first time I saw something on tv in gaelic, I'd just had a short nap and was in that befuddled state you sometimes get in when you've just woken up. I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on for a good couple of minutes.

Sorry. I'll stop now. But for the record here's the post where I didn't compare the SNP to Nazis (it was actually in reply to you funnily enough Andy):
https://www.lfgss.com/comments/12263695/

Public forum, don't read/go fuck yourself

https://youtu.be/-N0IjBgyFoE

I once really offended someone when I assumed Pob spoke Welsh.

My degree's in linguistics and I had a brilliant lecturer who was an expert in Scots Gaelic.

He had a boyfriend called Anson and all of his example sentences involved Anson not doing what he was told or incurring his displeasure in some way. It was very funny and made my lectures much more entertaining.

An interesting piece
https://www.ft.com/content/3501446a-de36-11e6-86ac-f253db7791c6

Raises the useful question of how you support a country's social needs (e.g. NHS) if your low-tax position results in less tax revenue.

The embedded video makes the good point about the difference in the perception of Europe between us and continental Europeans (i.e. they have a deeper emotional attachment to it which may help it endure).

Paywall. meh.