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Yes. Agree and I am abit bermused. It didnt feel that stretched out. Hows it look?

https://youtu.be/KyO_suLUn6k

What is going on with your posture?

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True - I need to work on a few things in that department. I am getting a roller for the spine and working on a few stretchs for Pelvis / lower back.

My posture sucks basically - on / off bike. #desklife

You'd be much better off working on your posture, flexibility and core strength for six months and then get a custom fitted frame. Your back neck and shoulders are doing horrible things in that video.

Then fit some riser bars..

Feedback welcomed

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You buy, I'll fit them

That's the before right?

Very much this.

Also why not get Open U.P.?

Never had a proper fit so shouldn't comment much, but you upper body do look normal if not racy.
This does question my current frame sizing :)

Your posture Thrasher. That was me for years. Somehow I managed. 120 commuting miles a week and 100 mile + weekend runs. Lived with back ache. Head aches. Neck ache. Shoulders were solid. Lower back solid. Hey.... there's no pain a few paracetamol and a quarter bottle of Scotch won't solve. (not true I know) Then I went to Cyclefit. Embarrassing really to think I lived with such a badly fitting frame for sooooo long. Ordered a Cotic Escapade pre 2016 in a small (I'm 5'7") which is almost dead on my geometry and will save a fortune compared to a bespoke job. Meanwhile I'm commuting (2 months now) and training on my mountain bike which by accident fits perfectly. No headaches. No neck ache. Everything is more relaxed. Mind you I'm no spring chicken and comfort is definitely catching up and taking over from style!

Your position might not be that bad, some people have that hunched quality even when they're in an optimised position. Just look at Armstrong

It's much easier to get that flat back/relaxed shoulders look like the woman above when you have minimal saddle to bar drop and locked out elbows like she does.

You could try a concave saddle like an SMP or similar to help with pelvic rotation. Also it looks like getting into the drops wouldn't be all that comfy with that much drop.

Lance was a wrongun his bike set up (hood position for example) was horrible.

There does not appear to be a great saddle to bar drop.

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I am now fascinated as to what the "before" images look like.

By looks of things it wasn't lances position on the bike that won him all those races?!

I trust the forum hivemind in general. I'll work hard on posture and flexibility in the next few months and then see where I am at. Thanks for all the feedback. Lots to consider..

Seriously though, is that video from before or after?

It's before final dial in If I remember right. Its not right is it?

As great as internet bike fitting is it's impossible to tell without being there in person, also not being a professional bike fitter, but it doesn't look right.
IMO although your knee angle looks alright your foot is too angled down at the bottom of your pedal stroke. If you were to lower your saddle so you can get a flatter foot at the bottom of the stroke, not completely flat but just a slight dip towards the toes, then it should relax your lower back and help you rotate your pelvis forward. Your bars may need to come down slightly to match.

Cheers that's really helpful.
Whole new world to me this.

Fork-wise, New Columbus Futura Gravel seems to fit the bill? Maybe too much clearance?

http://www.victoire-cycles.com/en/news/new-columbus-futura-fork-available.html

Can't find prices, but equivalent road disc is £230, so presume less that ENVE Gravel

My before and after from Cyclefit.

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and the improvements are really apparent, straighter back, soft bend in the elbows. i'd assume your neck and shoulders don't hurt as much after a long ride...

you may find you are now less aero but this could well be countered by better power output and comfort, and you can fucking see where you are going :-)

Oh Yeh. Definitely got pain free neck and shoulders. And...I took the peak off my helmet (doh) which was forcing my head and neck into an even more angry angle with my back whenever I wanted to see what was up ahead. Looking forward to long term long ride comfy times ahead. Cotic arrives on 7th January.