EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I might have been unclear and using 'project fear' was probably unhelpful. I wasn't referring to lexit, more the shitty campaigning from the remain camp- no good news stores, just pushing the uncertainty vibe and maintain status quo.

What is lexit?

french brexit, obvs

sometimes that's all you need - anything else kinda dilutes the message.

I read it as left exit- left wing brexit supporters. Could be wrong...

It isn't working though...

it seems there's more of them than us.

Problem is all the old people live in the country, where the air isn't polluted enough yet to have killed them all off.

Move old people back to the cities. It'll fix everything.

This is the problem though: what is supposed to be 'left' or even democratic or moral doesn't exist any more.

neither Castro who endorsed totalitarian policies and oppressed people, nor the cuddlier Obama who can publicly criticise his human rights legacy whilst holding people without trial and torturing them in the same country.

Now, apply this to the wider political system and it's truly a bizarre inversion of everything you would have traditionally held to be true-Hilary didn't win because people thought she was too close to Wall St, Trump-a billionaire property magnate who doesn't pay tax-wins, then appoints an ex-Goldman exec who oversaw the crash to his administration. Or Tim Farron the head of a supposedly libertarian party who doesn't believe in gay rights, Cameron, the one nation Tory who oversaw EVEL and then Brexit, Farage who wants UK courts to be sovereign again but organises marches against their decisions, Hollande who promises to protect labour laws but legislates against them, who espouses fraternity but bans the hijab, the list goes on and on.

Obamacare is a good example of a policy that a pre-war Republican president such as Herbert Hoover would have supported but today is considered Communist by not just the alt-right but mainstream conservatives in the states, and overseeing it is a media system that's viciously protected by lobbyists of every persuasion. I could go on to quote some Debord but what's the point, we're all fucked anyway.

Aah right I see.

Well, Remain would never be a revolution. But for NI the development funds from the EU have been very helpful. Same for Wales.

I think it is very positive we can all travel easily and work together, not denying the challenges of course. But how that message goes down with the "The EU is a 100% undemocratic, we leave it will all be fixed" or the "Splending isolation" I dunno.

Nuance goes out of the window pretty quickly and both exit and remain have consequences.

Hollande has at least fucked off :)

I honestly believe mass media and by extension advertisers are the root cause of all this.

Well, I think it's more of a case of 'better the devil you don't know'. (I think that pretty much sums up this year politically.) Whether that's wise or not is anyone's guess, but it's clear a lot of people are very unhappy. I, too, don't think that the real reasons for that are prominent enough and hope they will emerge more clearly out of the dust thrown up, although I'm not very hopeful.

All the Brexit confirmation bias you want from http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/home
Newly revamped website

His party is still at the very least going to get beaten by a 'centre right' candidate. Thankfully not Sarkozy (again) but still, right. And possibly much further right. Hollande had a huge opportunity and didn't just fumble it, but spent most of his time coming over like a Gallic Monsieur Haricot...

Amazing tale of Louise Trethowans encounter w Theresa May

Worth checking out her full description in The New European

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Don't forget the lobbyists... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/30/donald-trump-george-monbiot-misinformation

True, it's right everywhere atm.

Wilder isn't exactly filling me of clogs, windmills and shmokes pride either... Ironically he's not in step with the anti LGBT anti women's right other right wing parties!

https://twitter.com/jordanjryan/status/805742704491692032

Epic WTF thread >>>>>

that weirdo is a common sight in and around london. he popped up in #wn4l a few years back at a protest regarding the library closure. His placards and opinions are about as questionable as his dress sense.

Giving Parliament a vote on Article 50 would undermine Parliament because Parliament didn't include a mention that a vote on Article 50 would be required when it passed the Referendum Act. (Not a fair summary, but hey.)

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/attorney-general-giving-mps-a-vote-on-article-50-will-undermine-parliament-a3412666.html

"Farage was sent by Christ".

Seems legit.

The dancing man is at every protest. He used to be a priest. He does have very strong legs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Horan

no christ represents the establishment, he's the anti-christ.