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The general mistake though is lumping "People who are going to vote for the Conservatives, Brexit and Trump" in one basket. Given Labours strength in the North of England wasn't this the region to back BREXIT most vigorously? Far to many people want to make this a simple right v left / good v bad thing but it isn't that simple.
FourGreenFields
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Just watched this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
Am I missing something because I thought this was a load of fucking bollocks.
Jonathan Pie is usually very good but this is so off the mark for me it's unbelievable.
People who are going to vote for the Conservatives, Brexit and Trump aren't interested in any debate whatsoever. They don't care about reasoning, facts, figures, the lessons of history or the side effects of their one-issue voting. They just want whatever hideous version of their country their tiny little minds have conjured up, back.
When the promises of Brexit starting falling away, one after the other, they didn't get angry with the people that lied to them, they got angry with the people that were trying to tell them they were being lied to, they shruggged off the broken promises and still want to forge ahead into the past because Brexit means Brexit and it's what they want.
These are people who simply can't be engaged because their hatred is far greater than any desire for the truth and they're so insular, parochial and selfish that they can't imagine working together for a better future. Their horizons simply cannot be widened.
And when someone does say something that's racist, homophobic, sexist or misogynistic, then there comes a time they've got to be told they're a fucking arsehole - we shouldn't be pandering to bigots.
Those that claim they aren't racists, bigots or arseholes are just as bad - they might not be but they certainly don't give a fuck about those they're going to negatively effect with their vote. They can go and fuck a dog too.
What we do need to do is to engage with the people that didn't vote. The apathetic, the disinterested, the disenfranchised. That's how we can effect change. Not by banging our heads against walls.
Non?