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I think Putin would be more fearful of reprisals under Clinton.

Yup.
Weirdly, this might actually be A Good Thing™with regards to Russia relations – Putin might feel less inclined to poke the bear by fiddling with Ukraine if he has a rapport with Trump (which would be unlikely with Hillary).

That said, Putin is probably a little hesitant about Trump's unpredictability.

Could be wrong on that though. It might be a huge disaster in every way but I'm just trying to find a silver lining here.

Italian steel ?

If anyone thinks they're having a depressing day, they should switch places with the Clinton-voting American guy sat opposite me today. He's trying to keep his head down, but every three minutes someone new has come up to him for a chat and a giggle about the silly yanks and their clown President. Can't tell whether he's more likely to crack suicidally or violently, but he looks like a snap is on the cards this side of lunchtime.

6% earn more that $250,000

Rilly?

USA was Trumped

According to my mate in the MOD at Whitehall, it seems more likely that Putin will do whatever the fuck he wants knowing that Trump will leave him unchecked.

is he wrong?
I'm not on the "nothing jeremy says is wrong" tip here.
I'm on the "do you trust this poll? given all the fucking polls EVER in the last year seem to be so out of fucking wack, how can you believe this poll of ~25000 people is properly representative (i.e. adequately sized, sufficiently powered, randomly constructed blah de fucking blahed) of a nation of, what, 300 mill?"

Steel isn't technically a commodity as it isn't a raw material. Its a product.

My mate down the fox and hounds reckons that putin and trump should sort this world out properly.

I've heard quite a lot of talk amongst US investment banker sorts that suggest that Trump may have received some large bail outs from Russian contacts during the fall out of the financial crisis. No idea if it is true or not.

tbh your mate down the fox and hounds is more likely to be listened to. Apparently nobody actually cares about what civil servants in the MOD have to say, because everyone has had enough of experts

Wow. Interesting chart. So it's just mis-perception and/or the rich finding an excuse that makes them feel better about being 'proactive'.

Rilly?

That does seem odd actually doesn't it. I should point out this is exit polling. More accurate than the pre-vote polls but still a poll. They might have just asked more rich people. Or people might be bigging up their income I guess?

If you scroll down to 'Income' on the NYT's exit polling page it also says more people earning under $50k voted Clinton too, but doesn't break down the respondent percentages:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html

glad my money's in bikes and bricks

Er, yeah. Just saw that but valid criticism. This is the best we've got though presumably.

I didn't mean that in a 'having a go at Corbyn' kind of way by the way, I just think it would be a real shame to presume the result happened because of poor disenfranchised people when the evidence available doesn't support it. It seems a lot more complex than that.

Supreme bricks I hope?

I guess that is possibly skewed by the black and hispanic voters though who are more likely to be in a lower income band but also more likely to vote Clinton.

@Fox - Amazing how close the polls are. I guess it very much depends where the poll is done?
Also is there a similar bias in the US like where people here would rather not admit they just voted Conservative? I thought in the States people were prouder of whichever way they voted.

naaw , London ones

Except £ are worth shit all thanks to Brexit. Happy happy joy joy :)

It is a 'white-lash', essentially older white men who feel threatened by minorities, women and people who are moving in on their historical dominance of society. It's an intrinsically and subconsciously racist vote: support the man who looks and thinks most like them, because they aren't allowed to talk like him or simply that they get scared of groups of people who's skin is a different colour to their's. It's why more rich voters voted for him, because they have the most to lose in a multi-cultural society. Same as the f*cking Brexit crowd, essentially - we need to keep everyone else out so we can maintain our dominance.
After the recession they found that their dominance was already waning because everyone hated them for screwing up our economy, so this is their only way of fighting back - essentially voting in a modern day Hitler.

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6% of the 24k polled, I guess. Still sounds skewed.